I'm Tired Of These Ungrateful Hurricane Victims

[ReptilesBlade]

You obviously don't visit this newsgroup very often or you would know
that the original poster claims to be a devout Christian.
In consequence you completely missed the sarcasm in my comment.

They may do a little harm when taken to extremes but more often than not
Christians have been an

I'm quite well aware of all that and don't need the lesson thanks. In
fact I am not even a national or resident of "this country" or a member
of "our society". However, I do resent being called a bigot.by someone
who clearly jumps to confusions.


What does this mean ? What thing?


What then?

1. I admit I am fairly new here. I usually hang out online where responses
like that are not meant as a joke of any kind. If you were just being
sarcastic then I apologize and humbly ask for your forgiveness.

2. The second part was directly related to the first, so once again if I
was wrong then I am sorry.

3. The point I was trying to make is that those two religious theologies
*chuckles* focus the most on self-gratification and not so much on trying
to benefit society in any major way. At least most of us Christians try,
even if we do screw up horribly from time to time. Lets just drop that
entire point ok because I really do not have the time to get into a major
theological war right now and I never intended too in the first place.

4. I am actually a Lutheran and a moderate Democrat. In the other places I
frequent on-line I am often flamed and trolled as a Fudie Bush supported
before I even get the chance to establish otherwise whenever religion do
political preference comes up. It was kind of a built in protective
reaction I have incorporated over the years. It probably had little if
anything to do with this discussion so please just ignore it along with the
rest of my erring post.

 

[ruzicka]

The cut was in the 2005 budget - I.E. what was cut was extremely
unlikely to have caused a gallons difference this week. Levee and
pumping station and canal construction takes years, if not decades.

Actually, the cuts have been made for the past 3 or 4 years!

 

[ruzicka]

All those losers whining about "where's the government?", "We got
nothing" "they leaving us here to die" and such are starting to really
piss me off. Our society has created a whole population of people who
rely on the government for all needs- housing, food, medical care.
That are unable to fend for themselves in any way hurricane or not.
Now they must really be suffering, almost like a domestic pet that
suddenly finds itself living in the wild.
First of all you live in an area BELOW sea level-not smart. Then its an
area that is subject to hurricanes and storms. Then word of an
impending hurricane comes out and you do not stock up and prepare. Why?
Because you have no responsibility for your own life.

Or maybe because you're really poor and do not have the same amount of money
that middle- or upper-class people have to buy things to stock up and
prepare?

Maybe also you're too poor to be able to afford a home on higher ground,
which, in the case of New Orleans, are where the pricier houses are?

Lastly, if you are poor, you can not afford to buy and own a car, which
would have allowed you to leave the city when told to evacuate. Amtrak and
Greyhound both stopped service a full day or more before the hurricane hit.
So, if you have no car, know of no one who has a car and can give you a
ride, how are you supposed to get out of the city?

The least the government could have done was either tell Amtrak and
Greyhound to stay operating out of New Orleans longer, or provide some other
means for people to escape prior to the hurricane making landfall. What's
the point of ordering people to evacuate if there are literally thousands of
people who have noe way to get out?

 

[bigjim]

Or maybe because you're really poor and do not have the same amount of money
that middle- or upper-class people have to buy things to stock up and
prepare? <<<<

America has the richest poor in the world. I bet all these "refugees"
had tvs dvd players, and video games. Many are seen wearing name brand
clothing. They have become accustomed to having all needs provided
for. Could your pet dog survive in the wilderness after being fed twice
a day,living inside and taken to the vet at the slightest symptom? The
people have been living like pets for the past 40 years. Everyone can
buy cans of food to last a week if they arent buying crack, liquor, and
$80 sneakers and $200 down jackets
which, in the case of New Orleans, are where the pricier houses are? <<

If you get knocked up at 15, Get locked up or drop out of school then
you really have no chance of affording a nice home do you? The
government gives them housing so they can continue their dysfunctional
lifestyles and the cycle can repeat.

would have allowed you to leave the city when told to evacuate. Amtrak
and
Greyhound both stopped service a full day or more before the hurricane
hit.
So, if you have no car, know of no one who has a car and can give you a

ride, how are you supposed to get out of the city? <<

I see plenty of "poor" people driving cars. Some even have newer cars
than me until the car gets repoed. There is also a thing called foot
power. In two days most people can walk 15-20 miles with no problem to
escape harms way. Oh wait the governemt OWES them relief and aid. Why
should anyone be responsible for themselves and their families.

 

[Bill Sornson]

Or maybe because you're really poor and do not have the same amount
of money that middle- or upper-class people have to buy things to
stock up and prepare?

Maybe also you're too poor to be able to afford a home on higher
ground, which, in the case of New Orleans, are where the pricier
houses are?
Lastly, if you are poor, you can not afford to buy and own a car,
which would have allowed you to leave the city when told to evacuate.
Amtrak and Greyhound both stopped service a full day or more before
the hurricane hit. So, if you have no car, know of no one who has a
car and can give you a ride, how are you supposed to get out of the
city?
The least the government could have done was either tell Amtrak and
Greyhound to stay operating out of New Orleans longer, or provide
some other means for people to escape prior to the hurricane making
landfall. What's the point of ordering people to evacuate if there
are literally thousands of people who have noe way to get out?

Which is where some /local/ leadership could have made a huge difference --
both before and immediately following the storm. I've heard that the New
Orleans city government and police departments are not exactly beacons of
integrity; seems like they either vamoosed or were looting themselves
(literally or figuratively).

My take is that no one knew how bad it was going to be. The storm actually
/weakened/ before hitting land, so there was some reason for optimism.

But then the levee broke, and so did all hell loosely. Flooding (bad word)
the area with National Guard wasn't possible immediately, until some
assessment was completed and travel routes opened. (Also, those initial
reports of people SHOOTING AT RESCUERS definitely slowed things down. Not
surprising.)

Considering how awful it was, the response has been pretty remarkable. As
of today (Saturday), a corner has been turned, and hopefully the suffering
is near an end.

Bill S.

 

[Kurt Ullman]

The least the government could have done was either tell Amtrak and
Greyhound to stay operating out of New Orleans longer, or provide some other
means for people to escape prior to the hurricane making landfall. What's
the point of ordering people to evacuate if there are literally thousands of
people who have noe way to get out?

They can tell them all they want. But they have no power to
enforce it. Even after the fact, they can't just go through and
comandeer buses, etc.

--
I didn't - in spite of ample warnings by sociologists
from large Eastern Universities - foresee the need to have
27" flat-screen television sets available to every family in the
New Orleans city limits as soon as the electricity went out.
That one WAS my bad.
--Richard Galen at www.mullings.com

 

[The Wogster]

Or maybe because you're really poor and do not have the same amount of money
that middle- or upper-class people have to buy things to stock up and
prepare?

Maybe also you're too poor to be able to afford a home on higher ground,
which, in the case of New Orleans, are where the pricier houses are?

Lastly, if you are poor, you can not afford to buy and own a car, which
would have allowed you to leave the city when told to evacuate. Amtrak and
Greyhound both stopped service a full day or more before the hurricane hit.
So, if you have no car, know of no one who has a car and can give you a
ride, how are you supposed to get out of the city?

The least the government could have done was either tell Amtrak and
Greyhound to stay operating out of New Orleans longer, or provide some other
means for people to escape prior to the hurricane making landfall. What's
the point of ordering people to evacuate if there are literally thousands of
people who have noe way to get out?

What Amtrak SHOULD do, is set up a "hurritrain", which is a 10 unit
double deck train, has little hurricane symbols on the sides, when a
hurricane is expected, it runs out of the area, from the area where the
hurricane is expected to a city that is further inland, it's up to the
cities it runs out of, to make arrangements with another city, for where
the train will discharge passengers. Which must be within 200 miles.
Trains start running 48 hours before land fall, and run continuously
until either no more passengers, last departure is 6 hours before land
fall. Base for the train would be Miami.

Fares are say $4 a head, even if the railway lost money, the PR would be
priceless.

Say it takes 6 hours, round trip, capacity is around 1600, could have
gotten 11,200 people out of NO, which would be 11,200 fewer that the
city would now have to deal with. Every NO city bus, and school bus,
should also have loaded up and left.

Looks like the disaster planning was based on the best case scenario,
bad idea, a disaster plan should always consider that the worst case
scenario, as optimistic. What if a Levee breaks and the dome collapses,
or becomes inhospitable. Don't go there, is the wrong answer.

W

 

[Kurt Ullman]

Say it takes 6 hours, round trip, capacity is around 1600, could have
gotten 11,200 people out of NO, which would be 11,200 fewer that the
city would now have to deal with. Every NO city bus, and school bus,
should also have loaded up and left.

And what happens to those in Mobile, Gulfport, etc. The problems
weren;t just in NOLA )although it seems like it since that is where
the media camped out) but over a 90,000 square mile area of around 5
million people.

Looks like the disaster planning was based on the best case scenario,
bad idea, a disaster plan should always consider that the worst case
scenario, as optimistic. What if a Levee breaks and the dome collapses,
or becomes inhospitable. Don't go there, is the wrong answer.

And this is the first time any of this happened. Actually it
was the first Cat 4 or 5 hurricane to hit NOLA since Camille in '69
and only the 5 th since 1899. Planners, for better or worse,
often tend to fight the last war.


--
I didn't - in spite of ample warnings by sociologists
from large Eastern Universities - foresee the need to have
27" flat-screen television sets available to every family in the
New Orleans city limits as soon as the electricity went out.
That one WAS my bad.
--Richard Galen at www.mullings.com

 

[araby]

1. I admit I am fairly new here. I usually hang out online where responses
like that are not meant as a joke of any kind. If you were just being
sarcastic then I apologize and humbly ask for your forgiveness.

No problem. Appreciate your response.
Unfortunately the OP is the sort who renders a grave disservice to
Christianity -or to any belief system for which "The Golden Rule" is its
basic tenet.

Regards,

Roy

 

[ReptilesBlade]

No problem. Appreciate your response.
Unfortunately the OP is the sort who renders a grave disservice to
Christianity -or to any belief system for which "The Golden Rule" is its
basic tenet.

Regards,

Roy

I am sorry for probably asking something stupid but what is an OP? I
probably know the answer it is just not coming to me.

 

[Brian Huntley]

I am sorry for probably asking something stupid but what is an OP? I
probably know the answer it is just not coming to me.

Original Poster.

 

[Mike Kruger]

Original Poster.

Also the character Ron Howard played as a child actor on "The Andy Griffith
Show"

 

[Mike Kruger]

What Amtrak SHOULD do, is set up a "hurritrain", which is a 10 unit double
deck train, has little hurricane symbols on the sides, when a hurricane is
expected, it runs out of the area, from the area where the hurricane is
expected to a city that is further inland, it's up to the cities it runs
out of, to make arrangements with another city, for where the train will
discharge passengers. Which must be within 200 miles. Trains start
running 48 hours before land fall, and run continuously until either no
more passengers, last departure is 6 hours before land fall. Base for the
train would be Miami.

What? Depend on Amtrak for evacuation?
Shouldn't there be a little smiley after that?

 

[Grolsch]

Yeas there is a comparison, The Cat 5 hurricane wasn't really the problem,
the storm surge and below sea level situation was, the dutch have certainly
dealt with that, 1956 I believe

 

[ruzicka]

that middle- or upper-class people have to buy things to stock up and
prepare? <<<<

America has the richest poor in the world. I bet all these "refugees"
had tvs dvd players, and video games. Many are seen wearing name brand
clothing. They have become accustomed to having all needs provided
for. Could your pet dog survive in the wilderness after being fed twice
a day,living inside and taken to the vet at the slightest symptom? The
people have been living like pets for the past 40 years. Everyone can
buy cans of food to last a week if they arent buying crack, liquor, and
$80 sneakers and $200 down jackets

which, in the case of New Orleans, are where the pricier houses are? <<

If you get knocked up at 15, Get locked up or drop out of school then
you really have no chance of affording a nice home do you? The
government gives them housing so they can continue their dysfunctional
lifestyles and the cycle can repeat.


would have allowed you to leave the city when told to evacuate. Amtrak
and
Greyhound both stopped service a full day or more before the hurricane
hit.
So, if you have no car, know of no one who has a car and can give you a

ride, how are you supposed to get out of the city? <<

I see plenty of "poor" people driving cars. Some even have newer cars
than me until the car gets repoed. There is also a thing called foot
power. In two days most people can walk 15-20 miles with no problem to
escape harms way. Oh wait the governemt OWES them relief and aid. Why
should anyone be responsible for themselves and their families.

Wow...you seem like a really bitter person. Of course you're entitled to
your opinion, but I have to say that your opinion appears to be one of the
darkest and misanthropic one I've seen in a looong time.

Here's an example that goes totally against your bitter view (and therefore
I have no doubt you'll totally ignore it).
A poor woman had a husband who was bed-ridden with cancer. When the order
to evacuate came, she tried to see if she could get some help to get her
husband out. She had no car. She could find no one at all to help her
(yeah, I'm sure you're doubting that, but whatever). She decided that she
wasn't going to leave her husband and therefore tried to ride out the storm.
The storm knocked out all phone and utilities. The medical equipment that
her husband was on obviously stopped working with no power. As soon as she
could, she tried to find help to get her husband some medical treatment.
She could find none. When she finally got back, her husband was dead. Oh
waht the hell...you're probably right....she was probably bilking the
government or something, so she obviously had this coming. Her own fault I
guess, right?

 

[Carin]

And yes, some looters are robbing jewelry stores, but since I'm not
there I can't say what percentage of looting is "justified". If I were
stuck there and starving, yeah, I'd break into a store for food and
water and so would anyone, I bet.

I have not heard one person say anything bad about someone for taking food
or water - yes, anyone WOULD do that - it's called survival and is perfectly
understandable and I don't think it can even be called "looting."

 

[Bill Sornson]

news:(e-mail address removed)...

{previous thinly veiled racist ramblings snipped}

Wow...you seem like a really bitter person. Of course you're
entitled to your opinion, but I have to say that your opinion appears
to be one of the darkest and misanthropic one I've seen in a looong
time.

You're dealing with "Buttpacker" (AKA jabario AKA jpoulos and now tiny jim),
one of the most hateful, bigoted, hypocritical jerks on all of Usenet. Just
so you know.

 

[Jimmy]

Also the character Ron Howard played as a child actor on "The Andy
Griffith Show"

OP Obnoxious Person

 

[Kurt Ullman]

Yeas there is a comparison, The Cat 5 hurricane wasn't really the problem,
the storm surge and below sea level situation was, the dutch have certainly
dealt with that, 1956 I believe

Intereresting. Do they get hurricanes in North Atlantic?
Do their bad storms get storm surges equivalent to 20-30 feet?
Seriously curious.

--
I didn't - in spite of ample warnings by sociologists
from large Eastern Universities - foresee the need to have
27" flat-screen television sets available to every family in the
New Orleans city limits as soon as the electricity went out.
That one WAS my bad.
--Richard Galen at www.mullings.com

 

[bigjim]

Her husband was going to die anyway. Those animals shooting at rescue
choppers tells me theyre not worth saving. If I were president I'd do
nothing in in a couple months the population would be reduced then
rebuild a nicer city.