Ugly rear wing on WRX

[JP]

Pay a lot less and earn a lot more in US? The former might be true,

but not the latter. Cost of living in the US is substantially larger
than anywhere else in the world. A dollar here doesn't go as far as a
dollar there.

I have to say that you dont have a clue about world tax or salary levels
if you dare to say that? Where have you heard it, or are you just another
self centred american idiot, who believes everything turns around US and
that all Bush claims is true? Wake up kid...

Tell me, how much BigMc cost in USA? How much you pay for Subaru STI or
for a beer? Let me tell you, American employee in my position (Sales
Director) earn in my position and segment about 9000 Euros / month (have
many collegues and they earn even more). In Finland the same person earns
appr. 5.000 euros. In USA you pay around 35% taxes, in Finland I pay around
40% + 5% for "labour costs". It means that when I have a nett salary around
2.700 euros, there you have around 6.000 Euros. This is more than twice
more.... but its not the whole truth....

BigMac there is aroud 1 US dollar, In Finland its 3 US dollars. WRX in USA
is 24.700 US dollars, in Finland it is 50.200 US dollars. So to be able to
buy WRX in Finland you need 18.6 x your nett salary to be able to buy one.
In USA you need 4.11 x nett salary. If you have any brains left, this means
that your buying power is over 4.5 times against the one we have here.

Next time when you shout something that you really dont know anything
about, please for give me not to believe you. And if it has to do with cars,
your opinion is not worth a chicken shit..... have you even seen an STI in
real?

 

[BlueSTi]

My like of the 350Z is so far based only on what I've seen and read of it.
And it's lack of a big ugly wing. It's so much only a dream that I
wouldn't bother a dealer for a test drive. So I can't really comment on
whether its brakes are softer. As for the power differential, remember that
the STi is running a bit more boost than the Nissan (the Nissan is naturally
aspirated -- along with the Mustang*). Try taking off your turbocharger and
see if you make 205 (which would correspond to the Nissan's 82HP/L power
density).

I'm located in the U.S.A. amd my STi pushes 120 HP/LT, bone-stock. I
consider that to be high-peformance by my standards. I would not
quailfy any car as a "real" sports car if it didn't meet atleast the
100hp/Lt. requirement. It's just a poser. Any yes, the STi would
easily hit 205 HP without the turbo.

I've driven plenty of Mustangs and they are just heavy unresponsive
pigs. Don't get me wrong, I like the "sound" of a V8. But, that's
not enough to make me buy one.

The Nissan's 287 HP is shy of the STi, sure. But you might remember from my
comments in other threads here that one thing I dislike about the Subaru
(relative to other cars I've owned) is its lack of refinement and -- well --
driver coddling, to be frank. I expect that the Nissan will be head and
shoulders above the STi in the refinement and coddling departments.

I can't agrue with you there. The STi did compromise some comfort for
performance. But, it doesn't ride anywhere near as hard as the EVO.
And I was impressed by the EVO. But, less impressed by the brutal
ride and twitchy handling. And you have to drive it like you stole it
to get any power out of it!
The STi doesn't pretent to be your ''daddies Buick". The seats are
firm, the handling is tight and the suspension doesn't wash out in the
corners. I think you will almost always give up ride comfort for a
firmer, stiffer suspension.

In addition, the ability to get an automatic transmission is a plus.
Something else you might remember from my comments in other threads here is
my frustration over the Forester's manual transmission. I've always loved
manuals -- this is the first car I've ever owned where I find myself
second-guessing the decision to forego an automatic. It could be the
problem is just this particular Forester, and not me. Or that it's all
Subarus. Or all Japanese cars. Or perhaps my clutchwork has always been
herky-jerky, and the smaller engine and lighter car are less able to absorb
it than other cars I've driven. Regardless of the reason, the experience
has made me stick-shy -- at least for the moment.

Now, you won't come away unimpressed by the manual on the STi. With
the 6-speed you will always be in a gear that's appropriate for the
situation. An automatic in the STi? Heaven forbid! I've never
driven a Forester. So, I don't know how they handle.

And since I'll be keeping the Forester, the Nissan won't have to fulfill
*all* of my life needs. The forester will have AWD for winter and cargo
room for when I pick up that new television set or whatever. I mentioned
the Nissan only because I'd just minutes earlier been poking around the web
dreaming about what car I wanted next -- it was merely a coincidence that a
thread popped up offering an excuse to talk about it. Or perhaps it
wouldn't have mattered *what* thread popped up -- I was bound and determined
to ramble on about it, regardless. In my web searching, I was looking for a
relatively affordable RWD 2-seater for summertime fun driving.

Now see, that is the exact reason I bought the STi. It CAN fill all
my needs. It's great in the winter, summer and can haul 4 people in
comfort. It's a great little grocery-getter.

The specific cars that I checked out were the Audi TT (the V6 with DSG),
Mazda RX-8 (which is actually a 2+2, not a two-seater), Miata MX-5 (or
whatever their new turbocharged Miata is called), Chrysler Crossfire SRT-6,
and the 350Z. After comparing the specs, appearance, and prices of all, I
settled on the 350Z. Not all of these cars are available in an automatic,
but then I *was* just dreaming...


- Greg

I did quite a bit of research before I bought my STi. And I looked at
and drove pratically every car on your list. Yes, even the 350Z.
But, after I took the STi for a test ride I fell in love/lust. It's
power is intoxicating and it's got a grip like Spiderman. For the
money, the STi was the best bang for the buck hands-down.
Earlier this year Car and Driver did a "Sports car shoot out" with
all the cars you mentioned. It had a STi on the front cover. I
highly reccomend you buy this issue before you make your decision.

Hey, it's great to dream! I still want a new Corvette ; - )
But, the STi was the most car for the money that I could find and
afford.
BlueSTi
"Scary-Fast"

 

[BlueSTi]

I have to say that you dont have a clue about world tax or salary levels
if you dare to say that? Where have you heard it, or are you just another
self centred american idiot, who believes everything turns around US and
that all Bush claims is true? Wake up kid...

Tell me, how much BigMc cost in USA? How much you pay for Subaru STI or
for a beer? Let me tell you, American employee in my position (Sales
Director) earn in my position and segment about 9000 Euros / month (have
many collegues and they earn even more). In Finland the same person earns
appr. 5.000 euros. In USA you pay around 35% taxes, in Finland I pay around
40% + 5% for "labour costs". It means that when I have a nett salary around
2.700 euros, there you have around 6.000 Euros. This is more than twice
more.... but its not the whole truth....

BigMac there is aroud 1 US dollar, In Finland its 3 US dollars. WRX in USA
is 24.700 US dollars, in Finland it is 50.200 US dollars. So to be able to
buy WRX in Finland you need 18.6 x your nett salary to be able to buy one.
In USA you need 4.11 x nett salary. If you have any brains left, this means
that your buying power is over 4.5 times against the one we have here.

Yea, it must really suck to not live in the USA! I paid list price
for my STi and that was $32,000 U.S. But, remember we get the 300HP
STi here in America.

And as far as salary goes: You got me beat hands down! I gross $2300
a month (apox. 1,800 euros) . So, I only gross about 1400 dollars a
month or roughly 1,100 euros. So, don't start feeling too bad about
yourself! After all, I may have an STi but you make double MY wages!
And on those wages I have a truck, 2 motorcycles, the STi and a house.
And I have plenty of money to spare!

Still I would rather make half my wages drive my STi , and enjoy my
personal freedoms than live anywhere else in the world.

New STi : $32,000
Living in the U.S.: Priceless!





BlueSTi
"Scary-Fast"

 

[Cam Penner]

I'm located in the U.S.A. amd my STi pushes 120 HP/LT, bone-stock. I
consider that to be high-peformance by my standards. I would not
quailfy any car as a "real" sports car if it didn't meet atleast the
100hp/Lt. requirement. It's just a poser. Any yes, the STi would
easily hit 205 HP without the turbo.

My 15 year old motorcycle does close to 175 HP/l - bone
stock. Surely anything "high performance" in today's
technology should really do more. Anything less than 150
is just a poser.

 

[JP]

Yea, it must really suck to not live in the USA! I paid list price

for my STi and that was $32,000 U.S. But, remember we get the 300HP
STi here in America.

And as far as salary goes: You got me beat hands down! I gross $2300
a month (apox. 1,800 euros) . So, I only gross about 1400 dollars a
month or roughly 1,100 euros. So, don't start feeling too bad about
yourself! After all, I may have an STi but you make double MY wages!
And on those wages I have a truck, 2 motorcycles, the STi and a house.
And I have plenty of money to spare!

Still I would rather make half my wages drive my STi , and enjoy my
personal freedoms than live anywhere else in the world.

New STi : $32,000
Living in the U.S.: Priceless!

I do not fancy to live in USA and didn`t say that I would or would not
live there. I`ve been there many times and liked the place, however, USA is
unreal - a worlds of its own, that does not have anything to do with "normal
Europen lifestyle", this with all the respect (I like many things there a
lot - like Hooters in Dallas). And please do not say that I haven`t see
anything by only being in New York. I have travelled across the continent
and been in Vegas, NY, LA, Dallas, Houston, Miami and also visited Canada in
Montreal and Ottawa.

My point was, that with 1/4 of my nett salary, you have the same buying
power. I do not know what you do, and thats not either the point, but what
comes to your earnings, you still have more than 1/4 more to spend monthly.
Please keep in mind that I compared my situation to a person in similar job
there. Subaru WRX or STI is quite rare car here and the importer have just
decreased the price by 15 K dollars. Still, it will not be a average car
here, more of an leasing car trough corporates or for people who earn more
than average person.

I recon that your salary is below the mid salary rate there? Mine is
compared with only the top 3% of Finnish employees, meaning that not more
than 3% of Finns earn like me or more. What would be the situation in USA, I
would have 400m2 house in Miami Beach, drive Ferrari and have 2-3 spare
cars. But, that isnt the case here - power of the money and the social
infrastucture just aint the same, fortunately.

And I still didnt wanted STI. For me. its a compromise that needs at least
5 K more money after driving out from the shop, because of its restricted
exhaust, gearbox ratio that isnt suitable for a car with only 265hp (europe)
and suspension that is not working like it should. WRX was nice choice for
me and with just 3.000 euros more I have all the power needed with it
(280hp) and suspension that I like. Compared to STI, it will still be 9 K
less and thats a lot of money at least here.

 

[BlueSTi]

I do not fancy to live in USA and didn`t say that I would or would not
live there. I`ve been there many times and liked the place, however, USA is
unreal - a worlds of its own, that does not have anything to do with "normal
Europen lifestyle", this with all the respect (I like many things there a
lot - like Hooters in Dallas). And please do not say that I haven`t see
anything by only being in New York. I have travelled across the continent
and been in Vegas, NY, LA, Dallas, Houston, Miami and also visited Canada in
Montreal and Ottawa.

My point was, that with 1/4 of my nett salary, you have the same buying
power. I do not know what you do, and thats not either the point, but what
comes to your earnings, you still have more than 1/4 more to spend monthly.
Please keep in mind that I compared my situation to a person in similar job
there. Subaru WRX or STI is quite rare car here and the importer have just
decreased the price by 15 K dollars. Still, it will not be a average car
here, more of an leasing car trough corporates or for people who earn more
than average person.

I recon that your salary is below the mid salary rate there? Mine is
compared with only the top 3% of Finnish employees, meaning that not more
than 3% of Finns earn like me or more. What would be the situation in USA, I
would have 400m2 house in Miami Beach, drive Ferrari and have 2-3 spare
cars. But, that isnt the case here - power of the money and the social
infrastucture just aint the same, fortunately.

And I still didnt wanted STI. For me. its a compromise that needs at least
5 K more money after driving out from the shop, because of its restricted
exhaust, gearbox ratio that isnt suitable for a car with only 265hp (europe)
and suspension that is not working like it should. WRX was nice choice for
me and with just 3.000 euros more I have all the power needed with it
(280hp) and suspension that I like. Compared to STI, it will still be 9 K
less and thats a lot of money at least here.

The regular WRX was about 5K cheaper than the STi but after driving them
side-by-side. I just had to get the STi. It was worth the extra 5 grand to
me. I like to drive but I don't particularly like to modify or work on my
cars. A STD WRX with $5000 worth of performance upgrades would be a lot
faster than my STi. I just liked the fact that I could drive it off the
showroom floor "race" ready more or less. And here in the U.S.A. the STi
is not all that common. I have only seen two. I live in a small town of
about 30,000 people and I am the only one who has an STi in our entire town.
There are several WRX's but no STi's.
To be honest if I had it to do again, I would have bought the regular WRX.

BlueSTi

 

[JaySee]

I'm located in the U.S.A. amd my STi pushes 120 HP/LT, bone-stock. I
consider that to be high-peformance by my standards. I would not
quailfy any car as a "real" sports car if it didn't meet atleast the
100hp/Lt. requirement. It's just a poser. Any yes, the STi would
easily hit 205 HP without the turbo.

BlueSTi
"Scary-Fast"

OUCH! That rules out the Viper, Corvette, Z06, Murcielago, NSX,
Diablo (except the SE 30 Jota), Elise (Before the Yamaha transplant),
911 (Non-Turbo/GT).

I'd call every one of those a sports car.

 

[JaySee]

I have to say that you dont have a clue about world tax or salary levels
if you dare to say that? Where have you heard it, or are you just another
self centred american idiot, who believes everything turns around US and
that all Bush claims is true? Wake up kid...

Get over your American hating propaganda

Tell me, how much BigMc cost in USA? How much you pay for Subaru STI or
for a beer? Let me tell you, American employee in my position (Sales
Director) earn in my position and segment about 9000 Euros / month (have
many collegues and they earn even more). In Finland the same person earns
appr. 5.000 euros. In USA you pay around 35% taxes, in Finland I pay around
40% + 5% for "labour costs". It means that when I have a nett salary around
2.700 euros, there you have around 6.000 Euros. This is more than twice
more.... but its not the whole truth....

I smell an idiot, but it's not coming from me.
Let's see the REAL truth...

BigMac there is aroud 1 US dollar, In Finland its 3 US dollars. WRX in USA
is 24.700 US dollars, in Finland it is 50.200 US dollars. So to be able to
buy WRX in Finland you need 18.6 x your nett salary to be able to buy one.
In USA you need 4.11 x nett salary. If you have any brains left, this means
that your buying power is over 4.5 times against the one we have here.

A big mac costs $2.50-3.50 depending on where you buy it in the U.S.
Hmm... Who's the idiot?

Don't compare country taxes. Only an idiot would do so. Tax money is
spent in many different ways in all countries. For instance,
Canadians pay higher taxes, but those tax dollars go toward their
health insurance that US workers have to pay for themselves.

Also, I said the WRX does indeed cost more elsewhere. It seems you
have poor English comprehending skills.

Next time when you shout something that you really dont know anything
about, please for give me not to believe you. And if it has to do with cars,
your opinion is not worth a chicken shit..... have you even seen an STI in
real?

FORGIVE is one word. You obviously are an idiot filled with anti-US
propaganda who knows nothing of which he speaks and argues in a
childish manor.

 

[JaySee]

I do not fancy to live in USA and didn`t say that I would or would not
live there. I`ve been there many times and liked the place, however, USA is
unreal - a worlds of its own, that does not have anything to do with "normal
Europen lifestyle", this with all the respect (I like many things there a
lot - like Hooters in Dallas). And please do not say that I haven`t see
anything by only being in New York. I have travelled across the continent
and been in Vegas, NY, LA, Dallas, Houston, Miami and also visited Canada in
Montreal and Ottawa.

My point was, that with 1/4 of my nett salary, you have the same buying
power. I do not know what you do, and thats not either the point, but what
comes to your earnings, you still have more than 1/4 more to spend monthly.
Please keep in mind that I compared my situation to a person in similar job
there. Subaru WRX or STI is quite rare car here and the importer have just
decreased the price by 15 K dollars. Still, it will not be a average car
here, more of an leasing car trough corporates or for people who earn more
than average person.

Your point is weak and wrong. Your idiotic thinking is comparing
luxuries to cost of living. Fact is we pay much higher rent and real
estate prices. The cost of going out to a meal here in the U.S. is
substantionally more than what you think it is obviously because you
think a BigMac costs $1. It's in fact 150%-350% more. Cost of living
= Rent, food, clothing.

I recon that your salary is below the mid salary rate there? Mine is
compared with only the top 3% of Finnish employees, meaning that not more
than 3% of Finns earn like me or more. What would be the situation in USA, I
would have 400m2 house in Miami Beach, drive Ferrari and have 2-3 spare
cars. But, that isnt the case here - power of the money and the social
infrastucture just aint the same, fortunately.

Mid salary rate in the U.S. is FAR less than what you think obviously
again. I'm not sure on exact numbers, but well over 50% of the U.S.
lives in "poverty." Minimum wage in the U.S. doesn't cover cost of
living. If you make the minimum or even double the minimum, you can't
afford to rent an apartment alone. 1% of the population lives as you
dream the U.S. to be.

And I still didnt wanted STI. For me. its a compromise that needs at least
5 K more money after driving out from the shop, because of its restricted
exhaust, gearbox ratio that isnt suitable for a car with only 265hp (europe)
and suspension that is not working like it should. WRX was nice choice for
me and with just 3.000 euros more I have all the power needed with it
(280hp) and suspension that I like. Compared to STI, it will still be 9 K
less and thats a lot of money at least here.

The "Euro" STi doesn't make 265 hp. It makes 300 hp with a 2.0 Turbo.
Your Finnish import STi makes a claimed 265 hp. This could be a
totally false number for some Fin law or rule, or it's restricted for
pollution.

 

[Henry Paul]

Big Mac in USA is $2.50 where I live. (Utah)

Oh yeah and it's smaller than it used to be too.

 

[Henry Paul]

I agree. I make double the minimum wage right now and my wife has to work to
make ends meet.

 

[Bruce Hoult]

I'm located in the U.S.A. amd my STi pushes 120 HP/LT, bone-stock. I
consider that to be high-peformance by my standards. I would not
quailfy any car as a "real" sports car if it didn't meet atleast the
100hp/Lt. requirement.

Hmm. My BMW is only around 82 hp/l at 90 hp and 1100cc. But it's got
awesomely flat torque (being a boxer, after all) and does 0-60 in 4.1
seconds.

Don't you think the classification should be more power to weight?

Oh yeah, I also get 50 mpg (US) from it

 

[JP]

Your point is weak and wrong. Your idiotic thinking is comparing
luxuries to cost of living. Fact is we pay much higher rent and real
estate prices. The cost of going out to a meal here in the U.S. is
substantionally more than what you think it is obviously because you
think a BigMac costs $1. It's in fact 150%-350% more. Cost of living
= Rent, food, clothing.

I believe you do not know still what you are talking about. I talk about
one bigMac you about a meal (but one hamburger might be 1.50 $ => 2 times
less than in Finland)..... I just visited USA and bought 1.000 dollars worth
of clothes, why, because they are 50-70% cheaper there.

Mid salary rate in the U.S. is FAR less than what you think obviously
again.

I knew this, but didnt wanted to spend a day telling you idiot what is the
comparison behind my thinking, because I can not compare car prices on bases
of "average income", you can afford it or not, but how much your money is
worth in US or in Finland is different and that you somehow decline to
understand. The rate is still 1 to 4, no matter where you come from or how
much you earn...... cant you understand that??

I'm not sure on exact numbers, but well over 50% of the U.S.

lives in "poverty." Minimum wage in the U.S. doesn't cover cost of
living. If you make the minimum or even double the minimum, you can't
afford to rent an apartment alone. 1% of the population lives as you
dream the U.S. to be.

I know this and feel sorry for these people, but that is something your
idiotic goverment has done in past few hundred years, when all system
support is money, fane and fortune. I do not dream anything, Im talking
about facts and figures, experiences and knowledge, the mid-class family
comparison between US and Finland. So please understand, that Im talking
about mid-class families......... Im also one, although I have a good
salary, the real rich are something else, like in USA.

The "Euro" STi doesn't make 265 hp. It makes 300 hp with a 2.0 Turbo.
Your Finnish import STi makes a claimed 265 hp. This could be a
totally false number for some Fin law or rule, or it's restricted for
pollution.

Noup, in UK there are several choices, from 265 to 340 tuned by prodrive
with Subaru. All the other market (including very big Subaru market Germany)
sell 265hp STI. In Finland we just dont have market for more than one choice
and STI is very very rare care here, bought by either very rich people for
playtoy or people who are car enthusiastics and have saved 10-15 years for
car and updated it when possible. Think about this, year 2000, 300 pcs of
Subaru sold in Finland TOTAL. I believe we have around 10-15 original STI`s
today in Finland (just a guess). Here`s a link to Subaru Germany, if someone
could open the PDF and help this freaking idiot how to read, so maybe he
could understand it and realise that WRX has 225 and STI 265 like in Finland
and in ALL the other countries here, except UK.

http://www.subaru.de/showroom/impreza/impreza-sti-spec.htm

I really dont understand where this guy gets his information - maybe from
Bush?

 

[JP]

Nothing to do with hating USA - I love the place and come there at least
2-3 times a year. But needless to say, I hate stupid people, who believe
that USA is the big and mighty without even visited other countries. This
doesnt mean that I hate US people, in a contrarary, just the ones that
clearly do not understand what the world is made of? I have many friends
there, poor and rich.

I believe you have visited Finland or Scandinavia when you know so much
about us? Europe.... well, maybe thats too much to ask yeeh.

 

[JP]

So we pay 1.8 times more of it than you there ;-) Just looked the
pricelist and its 3.50 euros for hamburger and 5 euros for a meal (6.10
dollars).

 

[CompUser]

So we pay 1.8 times more of it than you there ;-) Just looked the
pricelist and its 3.50 euros for hamburger and 5 euros for a meal (6.10
dollars).

Well, have checked out the menu on a Finnish
restaurant here in the US...holy shiite!

 

[BlueSTi]

My 15 year old motorcycle does close to 175 HP/l - bone
stock. Surely anything "high performance" in today's
technology should really do more. Anything less than 150
is just a poser.

Well, than you have most sport bikes beat if that's true. The new
yamaha R1 is a 135hp with a 1 Liter motor. You better get that old
bike out to the track! And yes, most sport bikes will run me into the
ground! Even my Honda ST1100 and ST1300 can run a faster 1/4 mile
than my STi. Bikes have a huge advantage in power to weight ratio.
That's why the STi stays in the driveway 90% of the time. I like
riding the bikes better than driving the STi.

Chip
'97 ST1100
'03 ST1300
'04 STi




BlueSTi
"Scary-Fast"

 

[BlueSTi]

OUCH! That rules out the Viper, Corvette, Z06, Murcielago, NSX,
Diablo (except the SE 30 Jota), Elise (Before the Yamaha transplant),
911 (Non-Turbo/GT).

I'd call every one of those a sports car.

Well, truth is you can't just take one facet of a cars specs and judge
all other cars by it. I was really just throwing out a little
"zebco". Sorry.
Anyway, I think specs like the 1/4 mile times, 0-60 times, skid pad
tests, and other factors all add up to what I would call the overall
performance of a sports car.

IMO, any car that can break a 100 mph in the 1/4 is fast. And the
350Z has been shown to just hit a 100 mph in a 1/4 mile. So, there is
no doubt it's fast. Just not as fast as the STi. The Evo is the
only other car in a similar price range that offers the balanced
package that you get in the STi. I think Subaru did good. They made a
truly affordable, high-peformance vehicle. That an average Joe like
me can afford.

Here is a site that I found and have used for a while that shows North
Americas fastest production cars.
http://www.autofacts.ca/classics/fast.htm

If you look at the top of the list you will see that the 1968 Plymouth
'Cuda with a 426 Hemi that ran 10.5 in the 1/4 at a 130 mph! Now,
that's stinking fast! But you know what? My little STi would run
circles around it at an AutoX. But in a straight line the 'Cuda would
beat me by a full couple seconds. I personally like to carve canyons
more than run in a straight line. But that's me.
I guess what I'm trying to say is, as a total package the STi is one
heck of a bargain.
BlueSTi
"Scary-Fast"

 

[Cam Penner]

Well, than you have most sport bikes beat if that's true. The new
yamaha R1 is a 135hp with a 1 Liter motor. You better get that old
bike out to the track! And yes, most sport bikes will run me into the

You know what? I did the math wrong. I only get 148 hp/l.
Serves me right for doing math when under the influence of
cold medication. Sorry for the unintentional
misinformation.

I'm not likely to catch an R1 though. 15 years is a long
time for suspension developments. That and the R1 has
almost a 700cc displacement advantage on me...

 

[BlueSTi]

You know what? I did the math wrong. I only get 148 hp/l.
Serves me right for doing math when under the influence of
cold medication. Sorry for the unintentional
misinformation.

I'm not likely to catch an R1 though. 15 years is a long
time for suspension developments. That and the R1 has
almost a 700cc displacement advantage on me...

The first time I rode the R1 it was pretty unimpressed with it. I
kept thinking, "what's tall this hype about?" Then I got up to about
10,000 rpm and that sucker came to life! I have also had a chance to
run a Hyabusa down the track. Talk about a monster! Dollar for
dollar bikes give you much more performance. But bikes and cars are
definitely an apples and oranges comprarison. Both are fun, but in
different ways. STi = lots of fun in the snow. Motorcycle = no fun
in the snow.
BlueSTi
"Scary-Fast"