O2 sensors

[ntadime]

My kid has a '05 Impreza (not a WRX). She has had the third O2 sensor
in 12 months. The dealer doen't think it is anything more then
defective parts. Is this a known issue or are we just unlucky?

 

[Backfire Bob]

My kid has a '05 Impreza (not a WRX). She has had the third O2 sensor
in 12 months. The dealer doen't think it is anything more then
defective parts. Is this a known issue or are we just unlucky?

Just some of Subaru's *WONDERFUL* design work.
If this is all that's failed 3 times in 12 months, you got a good one!
Hint...........
Scroll down and read some of the other posts in here.
Check out www.ripoffreport.com for some insight from
Subaru customers on how shitty Subaru's customer service really is.
Pull up a chair, get a large cup of coffee, some comfortable shoes
as you will be reading for quite some time.

 

[Black WRX]

Smokin' some crack, Bob?!

Just some of Subaru's *WONDERFUL* design work.
If this is all that's failed 3 times in 12 months, you got a good one!
Hint...........
Scroll down and read some of the other posts in here.
Check out www.ripoffreport.com for some insight from
Subaru customers on how shitty Subaru's customer service really is.
Pull up a chair, get a large cup of coffee, some comfortable shoes
as you will be reading for quite some time.

 

[Backfire Bob]

Smokin' some crack, Bob?!

Smoking Crack? no...not hardly.
Go read what is posted on there about Subaru's dealer network. I highly
suspect there are a lot of people that don't post their
disapproval with Subaru's dealer network.
The fact remains, The 2.5L engines are trouble prone as well as other parts
of the car.
Subaru is certainly NOT the only shitbox on the road. Most of the Kia's, ALL
of the Daewoo's, most of the Hyundai's are a box of shit too.
Subaru has done ZIP/NADA/NOTHING to improve the design of this trouble prone
engine, except to add their "Leak Preventive" crap
to the cooling system.
Subaru has many design flaws they absolutely refuse to address. How
irresponsible can they get?
Problems......
Head gaskets
O2 sensors fail way too quickly
Too small alternator for the load
Fuel leaks in cold weather
Coolant and oil leaks
Windshields that leak water
Windows that leak and whistle
Strange burning smells (see oil/coolant leaks)
POORLY designed cooling system,impossible to purge all air and will fail
quickly as soon as
the headgasket leaks and creates hotspots.

Read the posts! Try viewing the facts "eyes wide open" and drop the "Brand
Loyal" bullshit.
Just because you own one and it has not blown up (yet) doesn't make it an
"Ubercar"
"BMW" owners pull that shit, ask one..and you will hear "its a fantastic
car". Ask where it is
and you will find it's in the SHOP again...and again...and again, but its
the best!
These cars have WAY more problems than the typical Japanese car should have
these days.
The Koreans have somewhat of an excuse(built cheap to BE cheap), Subaru
should know better.

If I buy a Kia Rio for $7000 and it blows a headgasket in 45,000 miles I
have no one to blame but myself.
What did you pay for your 2002 WRX? How long (miles/years)do you expect it
to provide reliable service before a
MAJOR problem such as a set of headgaskets?

 

[Carl 1 Lucky Texan]

Just some of Subaru's *WONDERFUL* design work.
If this is all that's failed 3 times in 12 months, you got a good one!
Hint...........
Scroll down and read some of the other posts in here.
Check out www.ripoffreport.com for some insight from
Subaru customers on how shitty Subaru's customer service really is.
Pull up a chair, get a large cup of coffee, some comfortable shoes
as you will be reading for quite some time.

Subaru had a couple more complaints than mercedes - less than BMW. WAY
less than Toyota, or Honda or Nissan (though it's hard to tell about
complaint RATES and I don't have the time to seperate oput major from
minor issues. Certainly, for what one pays for a Mercedes - you'd expect
high quality.

Carl

 

[Carl 1 Lucky Texan]

Smoking Crack? no...not hardly.
Go read what is posted on there about Subaru's dealer network. I highly
suspect there are a lot of people that don't post their
disapproval with Subaru's dealer network.

Some folks DO have problems with their dealers. I've had probelms at
Ford dealerships. One Honda place was great, another not so hot. One
Nissan place was very good. Another VERY bad.

The fact remains, The 2.5L engines are trouble prone as well as other parts
of the car.

SOME 2.5l engines have been trouble prone.

Subaru is certainly NOT the only shitbox on the road. Most of the Kia's, ALL
of the Daewoo's, most of the Hyundai's are a box of shit too.

In all fairness, Hyundais have come a long way.

Subaru has done ZIP/NADA/NOTHING to improve the design of this trouble prone
engine, except to add their "Leak Preventive" crap
to the cooling system.

They have gone to about revision 3 on the HGs, extended folk's warranty
and, I'm sure you're aware, GM and othe companies routinely ship new
cars with a leak-stop substance in the cooling system.

Subaru has many design flaws they absolutely refuse to address.

Goy any proof? or just more hot air?

How

irresponsible can they get?

I'm sure, if you are in the 2-3% that had serious HG problems, you would
feel they were irresponsible. But I doubt they want to chase customers away.

What kind of car do you drive Bob?


Carl

 

[Backfire Bob]

Subaru had a couple more complaints than mercedes - less than BMW. WAY
less than Toyota, or Honda or Nissan (though it's hard to tell about
complaint RATES and I don't have the time to seperate oput major from
minor issues. Certainly, for what one pays for a Mercedes - you'd expect
high quality.

Carl

I agree with you on that Carl. "Minor" stuff happens to ALL brands. I'm not
really concerned with stuff like bulbs that went out
radio problems, seat belt systems that won't co-operate, stuff like
domelights that wont work right.
I am concerned with drivability, safety,comfort and long term life of
support and powertrain components.
Mercedes used to be a solid car before the high-tech era.Now they are
somewhat trouble prone and so specialized (see weird)
that no one but a factory trained wrench can deal with it (see major
costs).They do seem to hold their value in the long run.
Would I buy one...even discounted......not on a bet.
The 10yr/100,000 mile factory warranties that some offer doesn't mean squat
when your traveling 3000 miles from home and your sitting on the side of the
freeway with the hood open at 11PM.
Last summer we took a run out to Laughlin, Nv. from Southern Calif. He has a
WRX, but since the weather out there was 114 degrees during the day they
took his wife's Honda Accord! He admits the A/C cant keep up in the heat and
was afraid he would cook the engine on the
road trip.......why have a car like that?

 

[Michael Pardee]

My kid has a '05 Impreza (not a WRX). She has had the third O2 sensor
in 12 months. The dealer doen't think it is anything more then
defective parts. Is this a known issue or are we just unlucky?

Something's not right about that. You can ignore the FUD about a design
flaw, since it would affect every '05 Impreza.

There are two general possibilities: the O2 sensor is actually failing or it
isn't and is being changed out of confusion because of the ECU codes. If it
is failing, the usual reasons are contamination (silicones are death to O2
sensors) or blockage of the outside to air by debris or coatings. If he is
cleaning the engine compartment it is absolutely essential the cleaner not
contain silicones.

More likely, though, is there is a problem that is causing the mixture to
fluctuate, and that is triggering bogus O2 sensor codes. Vacuum leaks and
dripping injectors are prime suspects for that. The shop changes the sensor,
resets the codes, and sends it out the door. A ways down the road the
fluctuations annoy the ECU a bit too much and the MIL light comes on.

Mike

 

[Backfire Bob]

Some folks DO have problems with their dealers. I've had probelms at Ford
dealerships. One Honda place was great, another not so hot. One Nissan
place was very good. Another VERY bad.



SOME 2.5l engines have been trouble prone.


In all fairness, Hyundais have come a long way.


They have gone to about revision 3 on the HGs, extended folk's warranty
and, I'm sure you're aware, GM and othe companies routinely ship new cars
with a leak-stop substance in the cooling system.


Goy any proof? or just more hot air?

How

I'm sure, if you are in the 2-3% that had serious HG problems, you would
feel they were irresponsible. But I doubt they want to chase customers
away.

What kind of car do you drive Bob?

I have (for a daily driver) a 1994 Honda Del-Sol with the V-Tec engine in
it. it has 98,000 miles on it now. No breakdowns, still passes smog
with no problems.It has needed a few things.......
Timing belt at 60,000 miles(and water pump) (looked OK to me)
Upper and lower radiator hoses replaced at 60,000 miles
Brake pads, rotors turned a few times
Oil changed at 3000 miles and coolant each summer
Changed plugs at 50,000 miles(they looked OK)
Still has original clutch! (mostly freeway miles)
Topped off the A/C freon once in 12 years.
Everything still works, all electric windows,A/C,cooling fan
Complaints.......
It's too small, no room for luggage
It feels too low, everything is bigger on the road
The paint is getting dull, some chipping on the leading edge of the hood.

All things considered, I have gotten my moneys worth out of this Honda.

My weekend (Barge) is a 1967 Chrysler powered by a 383 Big Block. Car is all
original, numbers all match.It's a "work in progress" car.
It runs....and good...but the electric window clutches are shot, the evap
coil for the A/C has pinhole leaks. Has no rust, original interior,
headliner, dash has no cracks in it.Even has the original brake/gas pedal
rubber and original carpeting.
I have known the car since it was new, 39 years and the heads have NOT been
off this engine.The rear mainseal is weeping, especially if parked for
extended times then fired up.

Weekend bike is a 1987 Harley Sportster. Started out life as a 883. Made it
into a 1200 in 1991. It ran fine, but I wanted more "Grunt" for passing on
the freeway with a passenger.
It's NOT as fast as the jap bikes with the same displacement, but its sure
fun to ride.It's a "Sleeper" still says "883" on the tank.
It kills the 1340cc big twins! With Andrews cams, newer ignition its pretty
strong. The best part..it's reliable! it always starts, runs and gets me
home.

 

[Carl 1 Lucky Texan]

I have (for a daily driver) a 1994 Honda Del-Sol with the V-Tec engine in
it. it has 98,000 miles on it now. No breakdowns, still passes smog
with no problems.It has needed a few things.......
Timing belt at 60,000 miles(and water pump) (looked OK to me)
Upper and lower radiator hoses replaced at 60,000 miles
Brake pads, rotors turned a few times
Oil changed at 3000 miles and coolant each summer
Changed plugs at 50,000 miles(they looked OK)
Still has original clutch! (mostly freeway miles)
Topped off the A/C freon once in 12 years.
Everything still works, all electric windows,A/C,cooling fan
Complaints.......
It's too small, no room for luggage
It feels too low, everything is bigger on the road
The paint is getting dull, some chipping on the leading edge of the hood.

All things considered, I have gotten my moneys worth out of this Honda.

My weekend (Barge) is a 1967 Chrysler powered by a 383 Big Block. Car is all
original, numbers all match.It's a "work in progress" car.
It runs....and good...but the electric window clutches are shot, the evap
coil for the A/C has pinhole leaks. Has no rust, original interior,
headliner, dash has no cracks in it.Even has the original brake/gas pedal
rubber and original carpeting.
I have known the car since it was new, 39 years and the heads have NOT been
off this engine.The rear mainseal is weeping, especially if parked for
extended times then fired up.

Weekend bike is a 1987 Harley Sportster. Started out life as a 883. Made it
into a 1200 in 1991. It ran fine, but I wanted more "Grunt" for passing on
the freeway with a passenger.
It's NOT as fast as the jap bikes with the same displacement, but its sure
fun to ride.It's a "Sleeper" still says "883" on the tank.
It kills the 1340cc big twins! With Andrews cams, newer ignition its pretty
strong. The best part..it's reliable! it always starts, runs and gets me
home.

My first Honda ('78 Civic Sedan - yes, with the trunk flap - not a
hatchback) had such horrible vapor lock, I had to carry a jug of water
with me to splash on the pump if I made any quick stops on the way home.
Or I had to either leave the car running or wait till it cooled
significantly to restart it. That was a hassle which was soon cured when
it dropped a valve into cylinder number 2. I rebuilt it and dumped it
(donated to Goodwill, they sent it to the wholesaler). Guess what? I
bought another Honda. '81 Civic wagon. That one was a little better. A/C
compressor went out - I could never afford to fix it so I suffered
without it. Need waterpumps every 35-40K miles. I just kept getting the
lifetime warranty ones. At least it was drinev by the V-belt and not the
TB. I loved that car.

So, are Hondas crap Bob? Would I be justified in going to the Honda
board and calling them crap?

Carl

 

[Carl 1 Lucky Texan]

I agree with you on that Carl. "Minor" stuff happens to ALL brands. I'm not
really concerned with stuff like bulbs that went out
radio problems, seat belt systems that won't co-operate, stuff like
domelights that wont work right.
I am concerned with drivability, safety,comfort and long term life of
support and powertrain components.
Mercedes used to be a solid car before the high-tech era.Now they are
somewhat trouble prone and so specialized (see weird)
that no one but a factory trained wrench can deal with it (see major
costs).They do seem to hold their value in the long run.
Would I buy one...even discounted......not on a bet.
The 10yr/100,000 mile factory warranties that some offer doesn't mean squat
when your traveling 3000 miles from home and your sitting on the side of the
freeway with the hood open at 11PM.
Last summer we took a run out to Laughlin, Nv. from Southern Calif. He has a
WRX, but since the weather out there was 114 degrees during the day they
took his wife's Honda Accord! He admits the A/C cant keep up in the heat and
was afraid he would cook the engine on the
road trip.......why have a car like that?

I am new to Subaru. And so far the '03 OBW my wife drives has been very
good. The only warranty work to speak of was replacing 2 leaking A/C hoses.
My daily driver is an '06 WRX wagon. I did get it tinted as is fairly
common here in Texas, but I don't know if the A/C will be adequate yet.
Frankly - I have tey to encounter adequate A/C in a car here. Perhaps
the ones with seat cooling are nice. I dunno. I didn't expect the WRX to
be a luxury car. It's excatly what I wanted - a sports wagon. Kind of a
cross between my old Honda wagon and my old datsun 2000 ragtop. Do we
sometimes take the OBW because it has nicer 'creature comforts'? Of
course. Doesn't mean the WRX is a 'bad' car.

Bob - what kind of bad experience did you have with Subaru?

Carl

 

[Backfire Bob]

My first Honda ('78 Civic Sedan - yes, with the trunk flap - not a
hatchback) had such horrible vapor lock, I had to carry a jug of water
with me to splash on the pump if I made any quick stops on the way home.
Or I had to either leave the car running or wait till it cooled
significantly to restart it. That was a hassle which was soon cured when
it dropped a valve into cylinder number 2. I rebuilt it and dumped it
(donated to Goodwill, they sent it to the wholesaler). Guess what? I
bought another Honda. '81 Civic wagon. That one was a little better. A/C
compressor went out - I could never afford to fix it so I suffered without
it. Need waterpumps every 35-40K miles. I just kept getting the lifetime
warranty ones. At least it was drinev by the V-belt and not the TB. I
loved that car.

So, are Hondas crap Bob? Would I be justified in going to the Honda board
and calling them crap?

Carl

It depends Carl....how many miles/years did you have on the '81 when it
grenaded #2?
I too had a 78/79 Hatchback. (it was a little of both years).I bought it for
$200 with a dead engine in it. I dropped a "pullout" motor from Japan into
it
drove the hell out of it for 2 years and sold it for $1200. BIG
mistake...that was a good car.The paint was shot, but it ran strong.
This one had factory A/C that worked well.

The "ex" had(has) a 1996 Ford Taurus with the 3.0 V6 in it. This god damn
car had a different problem every week! I had nothing but trouble with it.
It blew the headgasket, spewed oil all over the back of the engine. There
was a Ford TSB on it so they covered the repairs but NOT a rental.Next the
master brake unit leaked all over the firewall and failed.Then the
electronic sensor that works as a distributor took a crap. Ford says they
are not covered under the warranty. I shell out $125 for a new one.Ford says
*I* cant replace it...takes "Special" tools....pure horse shit.2 hours later
its in and no longer running in the "limp home" mode The dome light circuit
worked when it felt like it, sometimes staying on and killing the battery
overnight(never found it..pulled the relay).The interior was that dull gray
cloth that showed every little imperfection.The factory radio is a joke and
you need to adapt the dash and A/C controls to drop in a new one. The radio
guts are in the left side of the trunk. It no wonder that Ford has dropped
the Taurus from it's lineup.
Is the Ford Taurus a piece of crap...I sure think so!

Other cars......
1977 Pontiac Trans-Am 403 (Olds) Posi went out at 90,000 miles
1978 Dodge van/360 GREAT truck, but would flood/overchoke when cold
1987 Dodge van/318 A727 trans failed at 70,000 miles
1989 Honda Accord.....ZERO trouble
1982 Nissan 4X4 pickup....complete junk
1985 Nissan 4X4 Pickup...more junk
1991 Honda CRX......ZERO trouble, traded for 94 Del-Sol
1992 Ford Escort 1.9 FI auto No trouble till 94,000 miles blew HG. Drove it
with problem(heater noises) for 8 months till it died.
Yanked head,R&R top end did the timing belt, water pump, wires.It
passed smog WAY under the stats for a 91 Escort. If it runs
for a few more years we will be happy.Total costs to put it back
on the road....$800 total
was $500 for the new head with valves installed
$120 complete engine gasket kit (Felpro)
$60 for GOOD water Pump
$55 for new timing belt(Gates)
$40 for new factory plugwire kit (no pepboys crap)
I have had my share of shitbox cars......Honda has been good to me. Ford has
been too.Dodge..not bad back then.
Nissan....never again

 

[Carl 1 Lucky Texan]

It depends Carl....how many miles/years did you have on the '81 when it
grenaded #2?
I too had a 78/79 Hatchback. (it was a little of both years).I bought it for
$200 with a dead engine in it. I dropped a "pullout" motor from Japan into
it
drove the hell out of it for 2 years and sold it for $1200. BIG
mistake...that was a good car.The paint was shot, but it ran strong.
This one had factory A/C that worked well.

The "ex" had(has) a 1996 Ford Taurus with the 3.0 V6 in it. This god damn
car had a different problem every week! I had nothing but trouble with it.
It blew the headgasket, spewed oil all over the back of the engine. There
was a Ford TSB on it so they covered the repairs but NOT a rental.Next the
master brake unit leaked all over the firewall and failed.Then the
electronic sensor that works as a distributor took a crap. Ford says they
are not covered under the warranty. I shell out $125 for a new one.Ford says
*I* cant replace it...takes "Special" tools....pure horse shit.2 hours later
its in and no longer running in the "limp home" mode The dome light circuit
worked when it felt like it, sometimes staying on and killing the battery
overnight(never found it..pulled the relay).The interior was that dull gray
cloth that showed every little imperfection.The factory radio is a joke and
you need to adapt the dash and A/C controls to drop in a new one. The radio
guts are in the left side of the trunk. It no wonder that Ford has dropped
the Taurus from it's lineup.
Is the Ford Taurus a piece of crap...I sure think so!

Other cars......
1977 Pontiac Trans-Am 403 (Olds) Posi went out at 90,000 miles
1978 Dodge van/360 GREAT truck, but would flood/overchoke when cold
1987 Dodge van/318 A727 trans failed at 70,000 miles
1989 Honda Accord.....ZERO trouble
1982 Nissan 4X4 pickup....complete junk
1985 Nissan 4X4 Pickup...more junk
1991 Honda CRX......ZERO trouble, traded for 94 Del-Sol
1992 Ford Escort 1.9 FI auto No trouble till 94,000 miles blew HG. Drove it
with problem(heater noises) for 8 months till it died.
Yanked head,R&R top end did the timing belt, water pump, wires.It
passed smog WAY under the stats for a 91 Escort. If it runs
for a few more years we will be happy.Total costs to put it back
on the road....$800 total
was $500 for the new head with valves installed
$120 complete engine gasket kit (Felpro)
$60 for GOOD water Pump
$55 for new timing belt(Gates)
$40 for new factory plugwire kit (no pepboys crap)
I have had my share of shitbox cars......Honda has been good to me. Ford has
been too.Dodge..not bad back then.
Nissan....never again

You've had a good experience with Honda - great. Doesn't mean some
others didn't have a bad experience with them. And many folks have had
good experiences with Subaru (I hope to be one!). The point is,
anecdotal evidence is not enough to draw broad conclusions with. I think
you know that. I'm not gonna go to the Honda boards and waste my time
blasying Hondas because a I had a bad and a mediocre experience with
Hondas. Why are you here?

Carl

 

[Rick Courtright]

you know that. I'm not gonna go to the Honda boards and waste my time
blasying Hondas because a I had a bad and a mediocre experience with
Hondas. Why are you here?

Carl,

Methinks our boy's just confused... he's had good luck with Dodges, and
rides what friends call a Harley "training bike" that he finds reliable
(maybe cuz of the engine swap?) This is contrary to ALL the anecdotal
stories I've been told by owners of both over the years. In fact, when I
was in high school (the days of Bob's Chrysler), a friend's dad was a
retired mechanic, and one of our buddies had a Dodge truck. He asked
"Dad" if he knew anyone who worked on Dodges. The reply was "Lots of
people WORK on Dodges, but nobody's ever FIXED one!"

So maybe Bob's gotten the best of the worst, but complains when some
people get the worst of the best. I'd take it all with a grain of salt,
eh? At least he didn't tell us he drives an Explorer... I'd have thought
he might be Dr. Rasty in disguise if he'd done that!

Rick

 

[Backfire Bob]

You've had a good experience with Honda - great. Doesn't mean some others
didn't have a bad experience with them. And many folks have had good
experiences with Subaru (I hope to be one!). The point is, anecdotal
evidence is not enough to draw broad conclusions with. I think you know
that. I'm not gonna go to the Honda boards and waste my time blasying
Hondas because a I had a bad and a mediocre experience with Hondas. Why
are you here?

Carl

I have two close friends that own them..one is a WRX the other is a
Forester.
Both have had nothing but failures with them. Both have been screwed over by
multiple
dealers service centers.
Neither has gotten any support from Subaru, each time they have a problem,
the dealer says
"that's the first they have seen of this".
My "opinion" is just that....someone's opinion. Im not saying to NOT buy a
Subaru, but to carefully
research them carefully BEFORE making a major investment.
The majority of complaints are posted by others, not me.If I see what
happened to them, as well as
reading it in several areas..it MIGHT be true? I have seen it first hand
with the two owners.
I got lucky, was going to buy some equipment from "Cyberhome". Friends
online advised me it's
trouble prone, fails often and "Cyberhome" wont replace or repair it. I read
further, they are right!
The problem of fuel leaks under the hood during cold weather is one that
really bothers me.
This is due to CHEAP components! Other cars run high pressure in fuel lines
and injection and they
don't leak.This tells me that the few cents that Subaru saves is more
important to THEM then the possible
loss of your car and it's contents.
What's your "take" on this Carl? How would you feel if yours caught fire
from this defect and Subaru ignored
you and your loss? It CAN happen, lots of ignition sources..fan motors,
static, hot parts.
Has Subaru sent you a TSB or recall for this and oil leaks?
Don't get me started on Volkswagens HAHAHA...now there's a COMPLETE bag of
shit.
VW *NEVER* recalls a car unless the GOVT forces them to.If I was given a
brand new one
I would sell it and buy an automobile.

 

[Carl 1 Lucky Texan]

I have two close friends that own them..one is a WRX the other is a
Forester.
Both have had nothing but failures with them. Both have been screwed over by
multiple
dealers service centers.
Neither has gotten any support from Subaru, each time they have a problem,
the dealer says
"that's the first they have seen of this".
My "opinion" is just that....someone's opinion. Im not saying to NOT buy a
Subaru, but to carefully
research them carefully BEFORE making a major investment.
The majority of complaints are posted by others, not me.If I see what
happened to them, as well as
reading it in several areas..it MIGHT be true? I have seen it first hand
with the two owners.
I got lucky, was going to buy some equipment from "Cyberhome". Friends
online advised me it's
trouble prone, fails often and "Cyberhome" wont replace or repair it. I read
further, they are right!
The problem of fuel leaks under the hood during cold weather is one that
really bothers me.
This is due to CHEAP components! Other cars run high pressure in fuel lines
and injection and they
don't leak.This tells me that the few cents that Subaru saves is more
important to THEM then the possible
loss of your car and it's contents.
What's your "take" on this Carl? How would you feel if yours caught fire
from this defect and Subaru ignored
you and your loss? It CAN happen, lots of ignition sources..fan motors,
static, hot parts.
Has Subaru sent you a TSB or recall for this and oil leaks?
Don't get me started on Volkswagens HAHAHA...now there's a COMPLETE bag of
shit.
VW *NEVER* recalls a car unless the GOVT forces them to.If I was given a
brand new one
I would sell it and buy an automobile.

So far, there was recall for the OBW to put a clip on the cruise control
to help retain a cable.
I believe there IS a recall for some year models of WRX to fix the cold
weather fule leak. The other cold weather gas smells foks report are
likely just a rich setting for starting.
Bob, I seem to recall Harley being so bad Reagan had to bail them out!
Why aren't you riding a Suzuki? Could it be 'blind brand loyalty'?
(BTW-no question there IS some of that in the Subaru owner's community -
hardly unique).
Certainly no one here ever chastises folks for posting their problems.
The nice folks here (all of which have much more practical experience
with soobs than me.) are just trying to solve the problems. Your
comments are more 'trollish' (and a little hypocritical) and
distracting. Certainly, you're free to post them. But 2/3 of them are
either false or extremely exaggerated. 1/3 have merit to some degree -
but the overall impression destroys your credibility.

just my 2 cents. I think we will have to 'agree to disagree'. You can
have the last word.

carl

 

[ntadime]

OK, got it.
Bob hates Subarus.Thanks Bob.
Carl doesn't.Thanks,Carl

Now then, without the flaming, any suggestions on a plan if it happens
again?

Thanks

ntadime

 

[ntadime]

Thanks.Sounds like I am going to observe it for now. Ther service
manager swears that it isn't anything else. I've had good experience
with them so far so I'm willing to give them the benefit of the doubt.
I've bought 2 cars there in 2 years ('05 Legacy GT) so they know I'm a
good customer, so far.

 

[Mickey]

Just some of Subaru's *WONDERFUL* design work.
If this is all that's failed 3 times in 12 months, you got a good one!
Hint...........
Scroll down and read some of the other posts in here.
Check out www.ripoffreport.com for some insight from
Subaru customers on how shitty Subaru's customer service really is.
Pull up a chair, get a large cup of coffee, some comfortable shoes
as you will be reading for quite some time.

The last time I looked the O2 sensors were marked BOSCH, the same
brand as used on many makes.

Since you are hell bent on bashing the Subie's, bash away. Other
owners will make up their own mind about your views.

MIckey

 

[Carl 1 Lucky Texan]

OK, got it.
Bob hates Subarus.Thanks Bob.
Carl doesn't.Thanks,Carl

Now then, without the flaming, any suggestions on a plan if it happens
again?

Thanks

ntadime

LOL!
Even if this were a moderated group, I'm sure Bob should've been allowd
to post. OK - maybe some posts were a little repetitious and more
emotional than illustrative, and he and I both may have drifted 'off
topic' - but I suspect you WILL see a thread similar to this again -
someday.

sigh

Carl