Bryan Lee said:
the more I read your post the more it bothers me
If it's not true why do all the oil treatments( slick 50, duralube, etc..)
say not to your their product during engine break-in? Why they do'nt want
your money?
I don't know, but I wouldn't make any assumptions based on the marketing
used in snake oil remedies. Maybe they don't want to be blamed if a
defective part in a brand new engine breaks. There could be tons of
reasons, many having nothing to do with engine break in at all.
As Rpms built stress on the motor get greater. From what you said cars
should not have redline. Why not rev them all to 10k rpm it makes no
different? That's why they make rev limiter for car experts like you.
I said nothing to indicate that cars should have no redline, I was just
saying that we are in fact talking about an engine with burning gasoline and
hot metal. The difference between 3500rpm and 5000rpm ain't much-I mean
they claim 3500 is OK, so what is going to happen at 5k that isn't going to
happen at 3.5k? Fire and hot metal, remember, you are already doing it.. I
would be interested in hearing about high mileage engine differences between
drivers shifting at 3500 or 5000 on a large number of identical vehicles run
under similar terrain and all maintained properly. What the hell, lets even
"break" some in by also driving them on cruise control at 90 for at least
the first week of driving-as little variation as possible. That'd be the
clincher that could make or break the break in theory-the high mileage
comparisons.
what
Have you ever done any research to prove that fact? Have you every read a
book on basic mechanics? Let alone anything on rotating mass or
recipocating forces? Anything on how a 4 stroke motor works?
Uhh, no, I have done no research. In fact, I clearly state that I wish
somebody would do some good documented tests on the subject. As far as I
know, there haven't been any documented experiments that would say anything
either way.
They have lived it and have experiance.
If I pray to a god that I win the lotto and then I win, does that make me
correct if I go around telling people that my god is real? If their engine
runs good and they have an excuse, is it always correct? In all of the
engine break-in writings I have seen, not one includes and cites of actual
data. All are the same regurgitated information that has been passed around
garages for decades. Did you ever hear that old glass windows sag and are
thicker at the bottom? Did you know that is not true? I have had old
timers argue with me over that too, and even though they are old and have
lived and had more experience-they were told incorrect information and even
though they want to believe it-its wrong. The engine break in theory is
something people WANT to believe-*it may even be true*-but I have not seen
any data to back it up, so to me it smells fishy. Its theory.
maybe the engine would run just as good even if
It is not hard to prove. What books did you read that had conflicting
opinions? Have you every built a motor? I bet you are one of those "Just
gas in it and drive " people.
Not hard to prove? How do you figure? Its like those TV commercials that
show a scan of a human brain from a chronic user of Ecstasy and then show a
scan of a human brain from somebody who never used drugs. The brain
activity is MUCH smaller looking on the scan for the chronic ecstasy user.
So to twist the facts against ecstasy, they say that the ecstasy causes your
brain to stop functioning correctly-less activity. But after thinking about
it, their argument has no leg to stand on. You see, a chronic ecstasy user
is somebody who hangs out in clubs dancing all night. They are
malnourished, dehydrated, and mentally stressed. They may sleep only
several hours per week. They often use other drugs and alcohol and
generally lead a poor lifestyle. So, lets take that person who never used
drugs before and lets put them in a club all night dancing several days a
week and not feed them properly and let them get very dehydrated. Lets
maybe let them get an hour of sleep and then wake them and make then go flip
burgers for 8 hours. But maybe only feed them a bite or two cause the
chronic ecstasy user probably isn't eating too much either. Lets carry this
on for at least a few months--and then scan the brain again. Its like
engine break in, damn hard to prove but easy to make a case that on the
surface looks convincing. And no, I have built no motors. I do use
gasoline however, and I drive.
So all I'm saying, is that for me to believe the break in theory, I need to
see some more facts. I know its nearly impossible but like I said above, a
high mileage comparison of several identical cars, maintained properly, but
"broken in" differently would be much more convincing than listening to an
old guy who also swears up and down that glass windows flow.
Sorry so long.
--Dan
