Subaru Tire Recommendation Needed

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InfoQuest

I have a 1997 Subaru Outback that still have the original Michelin XW4 Tires
with a 110,000 miles on them. Here is the amazing part... the tread is only
55% worn. Due to the age and miles on these tires, I have decided to
replace them. The only reason I am not considering the XW4 is that I did
not feel they handle well in the snow and ice. The problem when I call the
tire shops, they just seem to be focused on their store brand. Tires
recommended at this point... Michelin HydroEdge, Toyo Spectrum, Goodyear
Triple Tread and BigO Euro Tour.

I do a lot of freeway miles commuting. The car is also used for skiing,
camping, and hunting. What I want is a tire that can really deliver on it
all, such as dry and wet braking and handling, winter driving/traction and
have a quiet ride. Is there such a tire? Any thoughts on the above
recommendation? What is your recommendation?
 
Go the local library and find the most recent issue of Consumer Reports
that has a reveiew of tires. They only sell themselves.

Carl
1 Lucky Texan
 
InfoQuest said:
I have a 1997 Subaru Outback that still have the original Michelin XW4 Tires
...
What I want is a tire that can really deliver on it
all, such as dry and wet braking and handling, winter driving/traction and
have a quiet ride. Is there such a tire? Any thoughts on the above
recommendation? What is your recommendation?

My parents put Goodyear AuqaTred3 tires on their '97 Outback last fall.
They're up in Vermont, and get the full range of winter and summer
conditions. They like them a lot better than the OEM Michelin's, which
they thought were terrible on ice. I'm guessing their driving style is
similar to yours considering the mileage you got out of your 1st set.
As for me (WRX driver) I think the AquaTred's feel a bit crisper and
have better braking performance. Noise level is about the same.

- Byron
 
I followed the Consumer Reports reviews of high performance all season
tires and purchased a set of Falken SE 512 tires for my 2000 Outback. It has
been a nightmare. Two of the four were out of round. I then had those two
replaced. One of the two was out of round. A royal pain in the butt. They
mau be a good tire, but if QC is not up to par it doesn't matter!
 
The only reason I am not considering the XW4 is that I did
not feel they handle well in the snow and ice. The problem when I call the
tire shops, they just seem to be focused on their store brand.

I think by far the best advice you could get when shopping for new tires is to
email or phone the sales people at tirerack.com. I have bought several sets of
tires for my various Subarus from them and have found them the most
knowledgeable and accurate source of info on tires. By the way, I am not
connected with the tirerack in any way ;-) Just a happy customer.

They actually comparison test tires themselves, and keep large files of reviews
of various tires from their customers accesible at their website.

There are so many tires and conflicting reivews, that it is worth just telling
them what you actually use your car for and what characteristics you value
(quietness, wear, wet or snow traction etc) and let them suggest something.
Their suggestions haven proven very accurate for me in the past.

As to original equipment Michelin XW4 tires, I have found several other brands
and models that handle etc much better.

My current Forester has Sumitomo HTR+ all-weather tires which are dynamite in
the snow and rain, and very high traction on dry pavement. Others have
reported that they have short life and get noisy at low milages, but in the 10k
I've had mine they have been great. Especially in a trip to the Rocky
Mountains in the winter (lots of snow driving), and locally on the freeways in
the rain. They are relatively cheap too. (but then, good snow traction was
more important for me than long wear etc).

For non-snow use, I have also had great results from Falken ZE-502 tires, but
they aren't sold by the tirerack.

Hope this helps.
 
One minor caveat about Tirerack ... their prices may not be the best. I
recently, after looking at their tests, recommendations, reviews, etc.,
decided on a set of Kumho. (Surpassingly inexpensive, but VERY highly
rated.) Tirerack's price was $55per, which, after adding in shipping and
local mounting fees, would've come to $75-80 per. Still a good deal.
Before ordering, tho, I decided to call my local tire dealer - part of a
large, local area chain - to ask if he could get the same tires and, if so,
how much. He checked his computer, said "sure" and price would be $69 per
complete (mounted, balanced, installed and old tires discarded).

Incidentally, am very satisfied with the Kumho's, but, with only a few
hundred miles on them thus far it's a bit too early to make any real
judgment.
 
Alan Smith said:
One minor caveat about Tirerack ... their prices may not be the best. I
recently, after looking at their tests, recommendations, reviews, etc.,
decided on a set of Kumho. (Surpassingly inexpensive, but VERY highly
rated.) Tirerack's price was $55per, which, after adding in shipping and
local mounting fees, would've come to $75-80 per. Still a good deal.
Before ordering, tho, I decided to call my local tire dealer - part of a
large, local area chain - to ask if he could get the same tires and, if so,
how much. He checked his computer, said "sure" and price would be $69 per
complete (mounted, balanced, installed and old tires discarded).

Incidentally, am very satisfied with the Kumho's, but, with only a few
hundred miles on them thus far it's a bit too early to make any real
judgment.

I just got a pair of the Kumho Ecsta HP4 716 tires in 225/60HR16 from
tirerack.com put on my 2001 outback wagon and I am VERY IMPRESSED.

They are extremely quiet in contrast to the piece of cr*p Dunlop Sport
A2's that they replaced, and more importantly, they are far more round
than the Dunlop Sport A2's they replaced. I have all of 3 miles on
them right now though, so stay tuned.

I have some things to add to what other posters have said though.

First, on tirerack.com:

If I had it to do again, I'd NOT have purchased from tirerack.com,
though their review database is useful and led me to a purchase I'm
currently thrilled with. I have bought 2 sets of tires from them
previously and they do a good job, but here's the thing--It turns out
the Firestone dealer where I got my tires installed locally could've
ordered the Kumho's for me and gotten them next day (vs tirerack's 2
days), they could've BEATEN the price tirerack gave me (which was just
$53 a tire on these), AND been able to offer me lifetime
rotation/balancing service. As it is, I'll have to pay for rotation
and balancing over the tires' lifetime which will cost me more than
I've already paid otherwise.

So with tirerack.com, you're not necessarily saving money on the front
end, and you're paying more in the back end. I'm walking away from
this sale happy though because if it weren't for tirerack.com I'd
likely have been goaded into a tire costing nearly twice as much if I
resigned myself to the whims of the local salesfloor at a tire store
like NTB or Just Tires. However, if it weren't for tirerack.com I'd
never have gone to a Firestone store to shop for tires since I was
under the mistaken impression that they only carried Firestone (and I
was no fan of firestone based on a bad experiene with OEM Firestones
on a Saturn, though the Wildnerness that came stock on this car were
decent).

Second, on tire ratings and recommendations in general:

What tirerack or Consumer reports says is a good tire in one size may
not be a good tire in your size. Take the Dunlop D60 A2 which became
the Dunlop Sport A2--Very highly rated tires by Consumer Reports and
Tirerack customers. I had great experience with them on a Mazda and a
Saturn over the years, but these 225/60R16's I just got off of my
Outback were UTTER AND COMPLETE CRAP. They were very loud, and all of
them went out of round. As another poster here said in the past, "I
couldn't wait to get those tires off my car!" I'm not sure if it was
a defective batch, or what, but by the time I convinced that local
dealer I bought them from that there was a problem, it was like
pulling teeth to get them to replace even one of them with a fresh
tire. They kept telling me I had alignment problems even though I'd
had 2 4-wheel alignments done trying to follow their advice.

Needless to say, I won't be a Dunlop or Just Tires customer again any
time soon over that experience.

In summary, take tire reviews with a grain of salt unless they're from
owners of your vehicle who are using the same size you plan to use,
and drive in similar conditions as you. And tirerack does what they
do well and have a useful review database, but if you pick a tire you
want, don't be hesitant to ask your local dealers to order such a tire
for ya--you won't get shortchanged out of rotation/balancing services
down the road.

Best Regards,
 
Carl said:
go to www.tirerack.com .
Do consider the Continental Xtremecontacts or whatever they are called.
good value.

Carl
1 Lucky Texan

(ContiExtremeContact]
Got those 10,000 miles ago on my Passat 4Motion and can really recommend
them - much better than the Michelins I had before. I can take the same
curves/ramps now at 85mph easily where the Michelins put me into an
(albeit nice, controllable) 4-wheel slide at <75mph. They are also much
more quiet than the Michelins (which hardened substantially after 10K
miles) and feel confident in heavy rain and at both low (<30F) and high
(>100F) temps. If you often encounter temps below ~45F these are the
way to go.

- D.
 
JDC said:
I followed the Consumer Reports reviews of high performance all season
tires and purchased a set of Falken SE 512 tires for my 2000 Outback. It has
been a nightmare. Two of the four were out of round. I then had those two
replaced. One of the two was out of round. A royal pain in the butt. They
mau be a good tire, but if QC is not up to par it doesn't matter!

interesting.

the eight i've put on my wife and sister's car have been perfect.
course, i mounted and balanced them myself...

just another data point. so far i've found the tires grip well in
just about any climate.

ken
 

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