It's official, Manual Transmissions are making a comeback!!!

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There are lots of great statistics at the Government CAFE web site.
Lots of compiled data on cars going back to 1977 (and some even
older.) One interesting trend tracked is the percentage of
automobiles with automatic transmissions.

In 1977, 84.1% of all new cars had AT. Under pressure of demands for
improved fuel economy and increasing consumer preference for import
cars, that number dropped to 75.0% in 1987. Then imports went
upscale, ATs became more sophisticated and fuel got cheap. By 2002,
88.5% of new cars had only two pedals and the imminent demise of the
manual transmission was widely predicted.

Then something funny happened. There were rumors of rebellion in the
ranks and increased reports of drivers demanding control of the gear
ratios. In 2003, the percentage of cars sold with automatics dropped
precipitously to 82.4%. The CAFE site is now reporting a further drop
in 2004 with the lowest percentage of AT's since 1991, 79.6%. That
means that the number of cars sold with manual transmissions increased
77% in only two years and a clutch is now found in one of every five
new cars.

In terms of sales, this trend actually surpasses the much touted
return of rear wheel drive and the movement is broad based. While
keeping in mind that the politics of fuel economy can skew the
definitions pretty badly, the trend is apparent in domestics, Asian
and European imports. All are selling manual transmissions at levels
that haven't been seen in a decade. Almost half of all European cars
are now shifters, the highest rate since 1988.

Will this be a long lasting trend or a brief flash? It is still too
early to tell but it certainly shows that the old MT is going to be
harder to kill than it once appeared. The auto companies have now
learned that there is a solid base of buyers who prefer to shift for
themselves and the increased availability of this option is sure to
follow.


http://www.nhtsa.dot.gov/cars/rules/cafe/NewPassengerCarFleet.htm
 
There are lots of great statistics at the Government CAFE web site.
Lots of compiled data on cars going back to 1977 (and some even

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harder to kill than it once appeared. The auto companies have now
learned that there is a solid base of buyers who prefer to shift for
themselves and the increased availability of this option is sure to
follow.

Interesting! I hope that this is a trend and that it continues.

nate
02 OBW MT5
 
Probably just indicates a wealthier and older 'boomer'/'empty nester'
male buying his dream sports car.

It may last a few more years - until that demographic's knees give out.

Carl
 
Most mfr's deny clutch work as a matter of routine. Look at the
exemptions in their warranties. Subaru may be different.They replaced
my wiper blades at 30k.
 
you're foolish man. no warranties on manuals, no mpg benefits any more.

Why I buy standard shift vehicles:

* Better slippery weather control. I have company provided automatic
transmissions with traction control. An experienced driver with the
ability to control one more aspect of the vehicle is far better. I'd
rather feather a clutch than let the computer get me off a slippery
surface.

* It's more the driver's decision to drive economically or for higher
performance.

* More fun to drive. Compare a 4 cylinder manual OBW to an auto.
The automatic drives like my grandmother's car, it's a dog. To get
the same "feel", I'd need the six. When run at higher RPMs, the 4
does just fine, while allowing better mileage at other times.

* _I_ drive safer. When I'm driving an automatic, I become the
slouching on the console, talking on the phone while eating,
inattentive driver that I hate. A clutch pedal forces me to sit up
straight and drive the car.

* Reliability. With the exception of my '01 OBW, all of my clutches
have gone 120,000 miles+. I feel they are the same in reliability
terms as an auto, but usually provide plenty of warning when they to
fail. I've had autos fail suddenly.

* When I tow, manual trannys are smoother to manually downshift.
Automatics lurch into lower gears when descending.

* Cheaper at purchase

It's a personal decision, but the decision is not only about MPG.

Barry
 
Why I buy standard shift vehicles:

* Better slippery weather control. I have company provided automatic
transmissions with traction control. An experienced driver with the
ability to control one more aspect of the vehicle is far better. I'd
rather feather a clutch than let the computer get me off a slippery
surface.

* It's more the driver's decision to drive economically or for higher
performance.

* More fun to drive. Compare a 4 cylinder manual OBW to an auto.
The automatic drives like my grandmother's car, it's a dog. To get
the same "feel", I'd need the six. When run at higher RPMs, the 4
does just fine, while allowing better mileage at other times.

* _I_ drive safer. When I'm driving an automatic, I become the
slouching on the console, talking on the phone while eating,
inattentive driver that I hate. A clutch pedal forces me to sit up
straight and drive the car.

* Reliability. With the exception of my '01 OBW, all of my clutches
have gone 120,000 miles+. I feel they are the same in reliability
terms as an auto, but usually provide plenty of warning when they to
fail. I've had autos fail suddenly.

* When I tow, manual trannys are smoother to manually downshift.
Automatics lurch into lower gears when descending.

* Cheaper at purchase

It's a personal decision, but the decision is not only about MPG.

I wouldn't have purchased my OWB if it was not available in a stick.
I eliminated other vehicles for just that reason. I honestly love
driving a stick, love the feel and the sound. I love not worrying
about frying my transmission while I am towing my small boat up a
large hill.

Godamn, all this talk, I am going for ride!

nate
02 OBW
 
My last three Subarus have been 5spds. It's not only about mileage, it's
about control and actually driving a car. With cruise control and
slush-boxes (AT) you can practically go to sleep and drive, a four year old
could drive. Note the difference in trailer capacity between AT an MT on the
Forester, 2000lbs-At, 2400lbs-MT. coincidence?...Not.
 
Better slippery weather control. I have company provided automatic
transmissions with traction control. An experienced driver with the
ability to control one more aspect of the vehicle is far better. I'd
rather feather a clutch than let the computer get me off a slippery
surface<<

Ridiculous!!!. The jerk of manual engagement is far more dangerous than
placing the auto in "2". My 94 Trooper had a winter mode that started
in 3rd gear. Could move forward on a sheet of ice with no trouble
The automatic drives like my grandmother's car, it's a dog. To get
the same "feel", I'd need the six. When run at higher RPMs, the 4
does just fine, while allowing better mileage at other times. <<

I have no trouble out accelerating most cars with my auto obw. Its not
a prsche but still quick. Get k&n and use syn oil
slouching on the console, talking on the phone while eating,
inattentive driver that I hate. A clutch pedal forces me to sit up
straight and drive the car. <<

What about fatigue while clutching in NJ shore traffice taking 3 hours
to go 40 miles? I feel safer with automatic since I just woory about
driving, not stalling , wrong gear etc!
 
Thats because the forester is based on the impreza. Outbacks and Bajas
with auto tow 2400 lbs with auto. Coincidence?...not.
 
transmissions with traction control. An experienced driver with the
ability to control one more aspect of the vehicle is far better. I'd
rather feather a clutch than let the computer get me off a slippery
surface<<

Ridiculous!!!. The jerk of manual engagement is far more dangerous than
placing the auto in "2". My 94 Trooper had a winter mode that started
in 3rd gear. Could move forward on a sheet of ice with no trouble

Jerk?

Note the word "feather".
The automatic drives like my grandmother's car, it's a dog. To get
the same "feel", I'd need the six. When run at higher RPMs, the 4
does just fine, while allowing better mileage at other times. <<

I have no trouble out accelerating most cars with my auto obw. Its not
a prsche but still quick. Get k&n and use syn oil

I do have a K&N, and use Mobil 1. That 5 extra HP really makes a
slouching on the console, talking on the phone while eating,
inattentive driver that I hate. A clutch pedal forces me to sit up
straight and drive the car. <<

What about fatigue while clutching in NJ shore traffice taking 3 hours
to go 40 miles? I feel safer with automatic since I just woory about
driving, not stalling , wrong gear etc!

I choose my vacation spots differently than you. I go into NYC on a
regular basis... on Metro North! I don't know of any places that I
want to go where it would take 3 hours to drive 40 miles. If you're
going there, an automatic really would be a big plus.

When the driver actually knows how to drive, stalling and being in the
wrong gear is a total non-issue. I haven't stalled since I was 16.

Do you actually know how to drive a standard? I know plenty who
don't, you're not alone.

Barry
 
I didnt drive a manual OB since I wouldnt buy MT vehicle exc for a
sports car. Driving in NJ exposes me frequently to traffic jams etc
and MT is just not worth it as a daily driver. I can drive a MT but
why? I can get up and change the channel too but the remote works just
as well. Autos are as/more reliable same MPG and allow others to drive
my vehicle if necessary. I do still see people stalling and taking
too long to get moving.
 
could also be low income folks buying the cheap kias and such

Nah, that doesn't match recent sales trends. People have been buying more
expensive cars since '97, largely due to better interest rates. Even
Hyundais and Kias come with autos.

I wonder if they are combining traditional manuals with the clutchless
manual mode of autos. They are now quite common on luxury and sporty cars.

-John
 
Don't get too involved with this jabario. He's trolling and it appears he's
hooked a few.
Stupid is as stupid does.
If it trolls like troll and flames like a troll, well, it's a troll.
 
So mr. H anyone who disagrees with you is a "troll" . This is a fairly
interesting debate. But you dont like it or agree so its a "troll"
 
Bonehenge said:
On 27 Mar 2005 04:39:35 -0800, (e-mail address removed) wrote:
Why I buy standard shift vehicles:

* Better slippery weather control....
* ...More fun to drive. ..

I suspect most of these manual tranny sales tend to be in relatively
less-populous areas. Or, they're a smaller proportion of sales in the
more-populous areas. Reason: Stop-and-go traffic. A manual is no fun when
all you use is first and second gear. Clutches wear out faster, too.

Yes, if it's just you (and your significant other) in the cool,
manual-tranny car of your choice, top down or sunroof open, with only miles
of curvy road ahead meandering through the pines, snow-capped mountains or
ocean for a backdrop, a manual tranny is the tranny to have. But how many of
us can actully drive under such conditions regularly?

Alas, for this an other practical reasons, an auto tranny is the way to go.
 

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