badge of ownership

Kind of goofy. I'd rather they design their vehicles better so I might
be tempted to buy another. Subaru has degraded into just another
lookalike car company.
 
* It may have been the liquor talking, but
Big Jim said:
Kind of goofy. I'd rather they design their vehicles better so I might
be tempted to buy another. Subaru has degraded into just another
lookalike car company.

I dunno. They still win awards for reliability, quality, etc. and I LOVE my
'11 Forester. By far the most fun car *I've* ever owned. YMMV, of course.

*R* *H*
 
I dunno. They still win awards for reliability, quality, etc.

Sure they do.

It is just the 200k plus mile car that has become practically
extinct.
When the 1.8, 2.0, and 2.2L engines were common there were NO
awards, just cars making it past 200k miles easily.

Now its the other way around!

Even that lousy 2.5 liter engine that ate through headgaskets like
no other, has been given an award (!), ....though it is the sole
cause
one rarely sees a 200k plus Subraru nowadays.

Thank god they finally put themselves together at Subaru
and built some new engines, and a different 2.5L.

I think they new they could not carry on like that
without eventually destroying the brand. The awards
cover-up I suspect was an invention engineered by GM,
when GM was a major stakeholder in Subaru, a few years
back. An ugly legacy!

Basia
 
Sure they do.

It is just the 200k plus mile car that has become practically
extinct.
When the 1.8, 2.0, and 2.2L engines were common there were NO
awards, just cars making it past 200k miles easily.

Now its the other way around!

Even that lousy 2.5 liter engine that ate through headgaskets like
no other, has been given an award (!), ....though it is the sole
cause
one rarely sees a 200k plus Subraru nowadays.

Thank god they finally put themselves together at Subaru
and built some new engines, and a different 2.5L.

I think they new they could not carry on like that
without eventually destroying the brand. The awards
cover-up I suspect was an invention engineered by GM,
when GM was a major stakeholder in Subaru, a few years
back. An ugly legacy!

Basia
I just had the head gasket problem on my '03 Forester with only 40 k mi.
Out of warranty but have appealed to SOA anyway. Wife has an '08
Forester but I don't want to see the problem on either. Dealer said
they've never seen it below 100 k mi. We love our Foresters but this is
the kind of problem that could chase me to another nameplate.
Hopefully by the time I want a new one, the new engine will have proven
itself.
 
* It may have been the liquor talking, but
Sure they do.

It is just the 200k plus mile car that has become practically
extinct.
When the 1.8, 2.0, and 2.2L engines were common there were NO
awards, just cars making it past 200k miles easily.

200K? Why, that's nothing. My two last cars made it well past that. Chevy
Silverado - 230K, ran like new when I traded it. Original everything.

VW Fox, 250 K when I got rear ended on the highway. Original clutch on that
one.
Now its the other way around!

Even that lousy 2.5 liter engine that ate through headgaskets like
no other, has been given an award (!), ....though it is the sole
cause
one rarely sees a 200k plus Subraru nowadays.

Thank god they finally put themselves together at Subaru
and built some new engines, and a different 2.5L.

I think they new they could not carry on like that
without eventually destroying the brand. The awards
cover-up I suspect was an invention engineered by GM,
when GM was a major stakeholder in Subaru, a few years
back. An ugly legacy!

Basia

*R* *H*
 
* It may have been the liquor talking, but
Frank said:
I just had the head gasket problem on my '03 Forester with only 40 k mi.
Out of warranty but have appealed to SOA anyway. Wife has an '08
Forester but I don't want to see the problem on either. Dealer said
they've never seen it below 100 k mi. We love our Foresters but this is
the kind of problem that could chase me to another nameplate.
Hopefully by the time I want a new one, the new engine will have proven
itself.

Yea, I hear you. I don't want that problem! I've got the new 2.5. Hoping
they looked into that problem on the new head design...

I try to keep the rev's below 3K. don't know if that makes a difference or
not. BTW, I hear from a friend that Honda has the same problem with the head
gasket on the 4 cyl or used to.

*R* *H*
 
* It may have been the liquor talking, but
Hachiroku ãƒãƒãƒ­ã‚¯ said:
Hey! It's GONE!!!!!!!!!!!!

When they first started advertising them, they had them! Wonder why they
got rid of it?

They have a "rainbow" one labeled "diversity". How quaint...

I guess they're trying to appeal to a certain demographic - the commies.
;)

*R* *H*
 
Funny, I was thinking about that just yesterday. I live around
Northampton, MA, home of Smith College. I was going to get a friend of
mine the LGBT one (he's NOT!)


Hey! It's GONE!!!!!!!!!!!!

When they first started advertising them, they had them! Wonder why they
got rid of it?

They have a "rainbow" one labeled "diversity". How quaint...
 
* It may have been the liquor talking, but Hachiroku ãƒãƒãƒ­ã‚¯

I guess they're trying to appeal to a certain demographic - the commies.
;)

*R* *H*


I'm surprised the LGBT didn't go over BIG around here! Either that, or
they completely depleted the stock...
 
I just had the head gasket problem on my '03 Forester with only 40 k mi.
Out of warranty but have appealed to SOA anyway.  Wife has an '08
Forester but I don't want to see the problem on either.  Dealer said
they've never seen it below 100 k mi.  We love our Foresters but this is
the kind of problem that could chase me to another nameplate.
Hopefully by the time I want a new one, the new engine will have proven
itself.

Sorry to hear this.

I think the only thing helpful here is to change the coolant
frequently
- to help reduce head temps and acidic contaminattion eating
at head gaskets, ...and to remember to do refills properly (!)
- i.e. extra extra slowly, preferably with front of car slightly
higher
than the rear, also burping the cooling system to avoid those
notorious air pockets. Don't forget to be adding Subaru coolant
conditioner. Water wetter may be a helpful preventive too.

Good luck, with these you should do fine,
Basia
 
* It may have been the liquor talking, but


Yea, I hear you. I don't want that problem! I've got the new 2.5. Hoping
they looked into that problem on the new head design...

I try to keep the rev's below 3K. don't know if that makes a difference or
not. BTW, I hear from a friend that Honda has the same problem with the head
gasket on the 4 cyl or used to.

*R* *H*

Wondering on new engine: Is Subaru synthetic oil required and is special
Subaru coolant still needed?

I'm a little concerned with being stuck with Subaru shop for service.
My dealer wants to do all sorts of unnecessary stuff. Wife insists on
going there and went this week for oil change and he wanted to flush
engine and change cabin air filter at 20 k mi. Fortunately I had
educated her and knew flush was unnecessary and had cleaned the filter
myself (at a savings of $90).

I suspect Subaru is not the only company guilty of trying to make up for
lost sales by piling on shop charges.
 
Wondering on new engine: Is Subaru synthetic oil required and is special
Subaru coolant still needed?

I'm a little concerned with being stuck with Subaru shop for service.
My dealer wants to do all sorts of unnecessary stuff.  Wife insists on
going there and went this week for oil change and he wanted to flush
engine and change cabin air filter at 20 k mi.  Fortunately I had
educated her and knew flush was unnecessary and had cleaned the filter
myself (at a savings of $90).

I suspect Subaru is not the only company guilty of trying to make up for
lost sales by piling on shop charges.



If it's under warranty, I'd go by the book schedule (not every whim
the dealer takes to do maintenance) and I might use Subaru parts and
fluids, but there are other synthetic oils and other coolant brands
that will work fine in your car. Coolant I think just needs to be low
silicate/phosphate and otherwise approved for aluminum engines. Be
careful to never mix 'type' of coolant without an EXTREMELY thorough
flush first. But I don't think you need the flush either.

maybe someone else will chime in here.

Dealers will often try to accelerate the maintenance schedule. Keep
in mind though, that high mileage, offroad and LOW mileage use are all
considered 'severe duty' and may need an accelerated maintenance.
 
* It may have been the liquor talking, but
Frank said:
Wondering on new engine: Is Subaru synthetic oil required and is special
Subaru coolant still needed?

I'm a little concerned with being stuck with Subaru shop for service.
My dealer wants to do all sorts of unnecessary stuff. Wife insists on
going there and went this week for oil change and he wanted to flush
engine and change cabin air filter at 20 k mi. Fortunately I had
educated her and knew flush was unnecessary and had cleaned the filter
myself (at a savings of $90).

I suspect Subaru is not the only company guilty of trying to make up for
lost sales by piling on shop charges.

Sorry for delay. My schedule sucks. Yes, takes Synth 0W20, IIRC, and coolant
is Subaru Super Coolant, whatever that is. I take it that's like another
poster said a low corrosion type coolant (Dextron, etc.).

*R* *H*
 

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