06' OutbackSport Special Edition Question

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Hey I'm looking at purchasing a 06' Outback Sport SE. I have one quick
question regarding the 6-disc in-dash changer that comes with the SE
package. Is it possible to remove this unit from the car (to install a
new head unit w/ Sirius and Ipod controls). I have heard conflicting
things regarding this some say it is all intergrated in others say it
is possible to remove the factory unit. Any help would be appreciated,
as this would sway weather I buy the SE package or pay for the add-ons
so I can remove the head unit.
 
Hey I'm looking at purchasing a 06' Outback Sport SE. I have one quick
question regarding the 6-disc in-dash changer that comes with the SE
package. Is it possible to remove this unit from the car (to install a
new head unit w/ Sirius and Ipod controls). I have heard conflicting
things regarding this some say it is all intergrated in others say it
is possible to remove the factory unit. Any help would be appreciated,
as this would sway weather I buy the SE package or pay for the add-ons
so I can remove the head unit.

Impreza Outback (NOT Legacy Outback) should be able to accept a new
headunit as well as many other DIN compatible options.

Carl
 
Btw the stock headunit in the Outback Sport is very good. It does not
play MP3s
but the ergonomics is very good: one knob for volume and another for
going between
the tracks/stations. I just learned to convert my mp3s back to wav's
and play that.
Too bad it does not play mp3s and wavs off DVD+-R media, but with the
exception
of a few JVC units I don't think many units can do this yet.
So in terms of functionality the stock unit sucks, but in terms of ease
to use
and convenient access to various functionality it's awesome. Who makes
it?
 
Body said:
Btw the stock headunit in the Outback Sport is very good. It does not
play MP3s
but the ergonomics is very good: one knob for volume and another for
going between
the tracks/stations. I just learned to convert my mp3s back to wav's
and play that.
Too bad it does not play mp3s and wavs off DVD+-R media, but with the
exception
of a few JVC units I don't think many units can do this yet.
So in terms of functionality the stock unit sucks, but in terms of ease
to use
and convenient access to various functionality it's awesome. Who makes
it?

If it's the same 6 CD unit as in my WRX wagon, the ONLY good thing about
it is those 2 knobs. It and the speakers (atrocious) are high on my list
of future upgrades. The unit cannot do shuffle play among the stack
(only on the loaded CD) and will not 'remember' shuffle play when turned
off. And no front iPod/aux input - dunno about rear aux. Not quite loud
enough either - but the stock speakers couldn't handle any more power
anyway.
The antenna is in the window, so any tint needs to be ceramic ($$$) if
you want to keep good AM reception.
It works, but that's the best you can say about it.

Carl
 
I'm not sure how loud you are playing your tunes if you need an amp. I
agree on the speakers though. But it's expected: some people would want
$100 replacement, some $200 some $300
spreakers.
I'm glad Fuji does not waste money on the equipment people can and
eventually will
replace anyway. This is not a transmission you know where you really
can spend $$$$.
Maybe Quaife gearing kit would work but how much would it cost?
 
Body said:
I'm not sure how loud you are playing your tunes if you need an amp. I
agree on the speakers though. But it's expected: some people would want
$100 replacement, some $200 some $300
spreakers.
I'm glad Fuji does not waste money on the equipment people can and
eventually will
replace anyway. This is not a transmission you know where you really
can spend $$$$.
Maybe Quaife gearing kit would work but how much would it cost?

I doubt the tranny will be 'vitreous' for me, but I have no plans at
present to increase power or begin doing 5k clutch drops either. I
suppose there will always be folks who need a dogbox though. I'd suggest
though, that if you want a 1/8 or 1/4 miler, a Subaru is not the best
starting platform - but I really have no experience with that.

Yeah, the stereo has got to go - hope I can find one with good ergono
mics though - I hate fishing around for tiny buttons with arrows and
triangles on 'em for the basic functions!

Carl
 
Hey I'm looking at purchasing a 06' Outback Sport SE. I have one quick
question regarding the 6-disc in-dash changer that comes with the SE
package. Is it possible to remove this unit from the car (to install a
new head unit w/ Sirius and Ipod controls). I have heard conflicting
things regarding this some say it is all intergrated in others say it
is possible to remove the factory unit. Any help would be appreciated,
as this would sway weather I buy the SE package or pay for the add-ons
so I can remove the head unit.

Check with Crutchfield.com. If it can be done they'll have a kit to do it.
Also, look at an Alpine CD/Receiver with the slot for the CD in the front
panel. They play MP3's, and the controls are laid out very nicely. Rotary
volume control, with rubber grip, and all main controls on the driver's side
of the unit (US).
 
though, that if you want a 1/8 or 1/4 miler, a Subaru is not the best

I'm not a dragracer in case it was not obvious from my previous posts.
But I do have to wonder though why does Mazda 3 can do a sprint from 0
to 60 in 7.3 seconds
while my Suby requires 8.4 seconds with a 0.2l larger engine. Must've
too some doing
on part of FHI. Once a leader in the compact class now it's closer to
the end of the pack.
My primary complaint, however, is that the car is somewhat unpleasant
to drive due
to 1) Gearing 2) Shifting quality (the lack of such),
If they got at least one of them right I would not have been bitching
(repeatedly) about this.
But they did not got either one of them and so here I am.
Now, I'm not the first to notice the issue for sure. Some guy in the
Australian division of Subaru
drove WRX around 2001 (For I have googled). Asked a rethorical
question: WTF?
And FHI put a band aid on the issue: the final drive was raised from
3.9 to 4.44.
Well, now there is a car with a towing truck grade first gear.

Maybe this is not a big deal on WRX because you have plenty of power
everywhere
and don't have to shift much. More so in STI, which, ironically, has
the best shifter of the bunch
(and needs it the least). But I do feel the pain in the base Impreza.
Needless to say Subarus right now are not high on my list of
replacement vehicles for both of
the cars in the family.

I'm thinking that traction wise any car with LSD would've been able to
fit my bill nicely.
Except we have retarded chain controls here in California and they do
care deeply
if your car has a center diff and therefore is somehow "awd" even
though only two
wheels are driven or not. LSD or not if your case is not "awd" you'd
have to put chains on.

Which understandably would be a problem on RX-8 due to the lack of the
clearance in wheel
wells.

I understand that those of you living in the snowbelt don't need to be
told what the winter tires
are for. But I guess we have a lot of retarded folks going skiing to
the mountains on summer
or all season rubber one one wheel drive cars.

So here I'm stuck with a car that is such a dog to drive just because I
drive thru the snow
once or twice a year and had that great idea that I should get a Subaru
again.
I guess if my schizophrenic mind did not tell me: "Hey, they forked the
product line
in 93 so that there is a fun to drive little car and then there is a
version that will be made
to appeal to the former buick drivers" and I had any brains to read the
reviews carefully
instead I would've been driving RSX, VW GTI or a Civic SI (if I could
stand the sadistic seats).
But no, I thought I was soooo smart. Now is the payback time.
I actually see what a base impreza is for the local product planners: a
shitty little car in the lineup that they have to do something about. I
wish they did not and imported an euro version with 2.0
liter instead of endowing the poor little car with their valuable
"input".

Back to your issue with the headunit: the better place to ask is
rec.audio.car
but, to save you the trouble: I was at a local stereo store the other
day looking for
some decent component speakers for my Protege and did not see any
headunits with
smart ergos.

Good luck anyhow.
 
Body said:
I'm not a dragracer in case it was not obvious from my previous posts.
But I do have to wonder though why does Mazda 3 can do a sprint from 0
to 60 in 7.3 seconds
while my Suby requires 8.4 seconds with a 0.2l larger engine. Must've
too some doing
on part of FHI. Once a leader in the compact class now it's closer to
the end of the pack.
My primary complaint, however, is that the car is somewhat unpleasant
to drive due
to 1) Gearing 2) Shifting quality (the lack of such),
If they got at least one of them right I would not have been bitching
(repeatedly) about this.
But they did not got either one of them and so here I am.
Now, I'm not the first to notice the issue for sure. Some guy in the
Australian division of Subaru
drove WRX around 2001 (For I have googled). Asked a rethorical
question: WTF?
And FHI put a band aid on the issue: the final drive was raised from
3.9 to 4.44.
Well, now there is a car with a towing truck grade first gear.

Maybe this is not a big deal on WRX because you have plenty of power
everywhere
and don't have to shift much. More so in STI, which, ironically, has
the best shifter of the bunch
(and needs it the least). But I do feel the pain in the base Impreza.
Needless to say Subarus right now are not high on my list of
replacement vehicles for both of
the cars in the family.

I'm thinking that traction wise any car with LSD would've been able to
fit my bill nicely.
Except we have retarded chain controls here in California and they do
care deeply
if your car has a center diff and therefore is somehow "awd" even
though only two
wheels are driven or not. LSD or not if your case is not "awd" you'd
have to put chains on.

Which understandably would be a problem on RX-8 due to the lack of the
clearance in wheel
wells.

I understand that those of you living in the snowbelt don't need to be
told what the winter tires
are for. But I guess we have a lot of retarded folks going skiing to
the mountains on summer
or all season rubber one one wheel drive cars.

So here I'm stuck with a car that is such a dog to drive just because I
drive thru the snow
once or twice a year and had that great idea that I should get a Subaru
again.
I guess if my schizophrenic mind did not tell me: "Hey, they forked the
product line
in 93 so that there is a fun to drive little car and then there is a
version that will be made
to appeal to the former buick drivers" and I had any brains to read the
reviews carefully
instead I would've been driving RSX, VW GTI or a Civic SI (if I could
stand the sadistic seats).
But no, I thought I was soooo smart. Now is the payback time.
I actually see what a base impreza is for the local product planners: a
shitty little car in the lineup that they have to do something about. I
wish they did not and imported an euro version with 2.0
liter instead of endowing the poor little car with their valuable
"input".

Back to your issue with the headunit: the better place to ask is
rec.audio.car
but, to save you the trouble: I was at a local stereo store the other
day looking for
some decent component speakers for my Protege and did not see any
headunits with
smart ergos.

Good luck anyhow.

Well, you bring up a lot of issues and I doubt I can do anything but be
sympathetic as I have a WRX with LSD, the tranny has a shorter shifter
and better 1st gear synchros for '06. I've read that its 'stronger' too
but I dunno where the source was for that post. I also dunno the weight
difference between your car and the mazda you speak of, but AWD is gonna
have some more frictional loss as well.
The Gearing is a little odd, but my old '69 Datsun was worse. 1st gear
was truck-like and second gear(good to 70mph!) was taller than my WRX!
Being a 'flatlander' I have no direct experience with Cali's chain issue
but I've read several times (try a search on it at www.usmb.net) that
not only are ther cable and other traction devices
(www.spikespyders.com) that don't have the clearance issues, but, maybe
more importantly, most folks say they either get waved through the
checkpoint when the chain nazis see their in a Sube or they open the
trunk and show them a box of cjains and get waved through. I dunno.
Take your car to snow country in the fall and sell it, I understand they
have higher resale in the mountains. When we travel to Co.Spgs. we see
as many soobs in one block as are likely in my zipcode here! I'd be
doomed here if I wanted to sell mine! lol!

Carl
 
Well, you bring up a lot of issues and I doubt I can do anything but be
sympathetic as I have a WRX with LSD, the tranny has a shorter shifter

I'm not hurting for LSD in addition to the center diff on a low hp car.
I was just saying it's all the same to me if I have either an LSD to
drive two front (Civic Si)
or two rears (RX-8) or a center diff (base impreza): the amount of
traction put to the ground is
about the same and the likelihood of getting stuck likewise.
and better 1st gear synchros for '06. I've read that its 'stronger' too
but I dunno where the source was for that post. I also dunno the weight
difference between your car and the mazda you speak of, but AWD is gonna

about 450-500 lbs.
have some more frictional loss as well.
The Gearing is a little odd, but my old '69 Datsun was worse. 1st gear
was truck-like and second gear(good to 70mph!) was taller than my WRX!
Being a 'flatlander' I have no direct experience with Cali's chain issue
but I've read several times (try a search on it at www.usmb.net) that
not only are ther cable and other traction devices
(www.spikespyders.com) that don't have the clearance issues, but, maybe
more importantly, most folks say they either get waved through the
checkpoint when the chain nazis see their in a Sube or they open the
trunk and show them a box of cjains and get waved through. I dunno.

Right. I was just saying that as this point I wish they waived me thru
if I got a front or
a rear wheel drive car with an LSD and winter rubber.
Take your car to snow country in the fall and sell it, I understand they
have higher resale in the mountains. When we travel to Co.Spgs. we see
as many soobs in one block as are likely in my zipcode here! I'd be
doomed here if I wanted to sell mine! lol!

Texans don't like rice awd muscle cars? What are people driving over
there?
Dodge Ghetto Blaster/Chrysler Inner City? You'd run circles around
their hemi in your WRX.
 
Body said:
I'm not hurting for LSD in addition to the center diff on a low hp car.
I was just saying it's all the same to me if I have either an LSD to
drive two front (Civic Si)
or two rears (RX-8) or a center diff (base impreza): the amount of
traction put to the ground is
about the same and the likelihood of getting stuck likewise.




about 450-500 lbs.




Right. I was just saying that as this point I wish they waived me thru
if I got a front or
a rear wheel drive car with an LSD and winter rubber.




Texans don't like rice awd muscle cars? What are people driving over
there?
Dodge Ghetto Blaster/Chrysler Inner City? You'd run circles around
their hemi in your WRX.

You're kiddin' right? Any male around here that isn't in a full size
doemstic pickup or on a harley will have their manhood questioned
regularly! lol!
There are plenty of kids driving the 'fart-can civics' around, But
chipped F150s and Mustangs seem to be the prefered cruisers. There's a
strong soob following and it's growing with the xtra dealerships opening
up. I don't push my car often, I try stay on the DL. But a coupla times
I've had to show someone what it can do. It's still more car than I am
driver but I have some fun with it - no tickets yet. Went to the track
once already (www.motorsportranch.com) and was not able to keep up with
the other subies(most modded and/or experienced drivers) or the 'vette ,
but passed the miata, Boxster, some kinda' Audi, the Infiniti - Oh and
the lady in her saturn Vue (it looked weird on the track but at least
she was making an effort to learn her car's limits!)

I'm too old to have my ego bruised by NOT street racing!

Carl
 
I believe that a couple of hours ago I saw on some site that the '07 OBS SE
will have the connections up front for all of the little electronic devices
that people have these days. That is a lot of help, isn't it? Sorry I
couldn't be a bit more exact. Perhaps you could do a search and hopefully
find that info or ask a Subaru salesman or maybe even submit a question via
their website, if they offer that. I'd go back and find the page, but I
looked at soooo many and only bookmarked a couple, then I cleared the
history, cookies, etc. when I closed down Explorer and started doing other
things.

Stacey.

: Hey I'm looking at purchasing a 06' Outback Sport SE. I have one quick
: question regarding the 6-disc in-dash changer that comes with the SE
: package. Is it possible to remove this unit from the car (to install a
: new head unit w/ Sirius and Ipod controls). I have heard conflicting
: things regarding this some say it is all intergrated in others say it
: is possible to remove the factory unit. Any help would be appreciated,
: as this would sway weather I buy the SE package or pay for the add-ons
: so I can remove the head unit.
:
 
: Body Roll wrote:
: > Btw the stock headunit in the Outback Sport is very good. It does not
: > play MP3s
: > but the ergonomics is very good: one knob for volume and another for
: > going between
: > the tracks/stations. I just learned to convert my mp3s back to wav's
: > and play that.
: > Too bad it does not play mp3s and wavs off DVD+-R media, but with the
: > exception
: > of a few JVC units I don't think many units can do this yet.
: > So in terms of functionality the stock unit sucks, but in terms of ease
: > to use
: > and convenient access to various functionality it's awesome. Who makes
: > it?
: >
:
: If it's the same 6 CD unit as in my WRX wagon, the ONLY good thing about
: it is those 2 knobs. It and the speakers (atrocious) are high on my list
: of future upgrades. The unit cannot do shuffle play among the stack
: (only on the loaded CD) and will not 'remember' shuffle play when turned
: off. And no front iPod/aux input - dunno about rear aux. Not quite loud
: enough either - but the stock speakers couldn't handle any more power
: anyway.
: The antenna is in the window, so any tint needs to be ceramic ($$$) if
: you want to keep good AM reception.
: It works, but that's the best you can say about it.
:
: Carl
:
:
: --
: to reply, change ( .not) to ( .net)

Carl.

I have the same unit and I am pretty happy with the sound. I had a 2002 OBS
with the standard single CD player and stock speakers and when test driving
the 2006 OBS SE I took along two CDs to test the sound system. I
purposefully chose one CD that had a lot of range to it, especially more
highs than in most songs, while the other was a loud rocker, with great
banging, crashing type of percussion. Both CDs sounded great, as have others
that I have played since I purchased the car. Andrea Bocelli sounds awesome
with that stereo too. He is my first real attempt at listening to opera. His
singing impressed me the couple of times I heard him sing during the winter
Olympics, so I went out and purchased one of his CDs.

I usually keep the unit filled with 6 CDs and on occasion I will have to
adjust the bass. treble, and/or mid-range from one CD to another, but not
too often. This is my first 6 CD changer and I had to put a small post-it
note pad in the glove box because I could never remember who I put in which
slot! (Old age sucks and now I'v learned that my natural mother has rather
advancing Alzheimer's disease, so I should probably buy stock in the post-it
note company soom. Anyway, whenever I change the lineup I write a new list
and stick the post it note just to the right of the unit. I guess I a bit
disappointed that the random feature works for only one CD at a time, as you
mentioned. Other than that, I really enjoy the stereo. In the old car, if I
played a CD for an hour or so, the discs would get so hot that I often felt
that there was a real chance of some damage (AKA warping or a big meltdown).
I brought this up to several people at the dealership and was told that was
just the way it was with that unit. The new stereo does not cook my CDs at
all, yahoo!

About the window tinting...I had mine done with regular film and have not
noticed any degradation in reception. I live in Montana and often drive in
rural, remote areas, including canyons and/or mountanous areas and seem to
have better reception than I had with the 2002 OBS. The only bad news about
having the antenna in the rear window, I now have nowhere to hang my Marine
Corps antenna ball. :-(

I should add that I rolled the 2002 OBS on a narrow rural road late in
January, with the first roll occuring on the asphalt and the second roll
being in the ditch, leaving me up in the air, as the car finally landed -
passenger side on the ground. The back passenger window flew in as the car
first began to roll and I had visions of it coming forward and cutting my
face or neck, especially the jugular vein and then me bleeding to death,
alone at night in the middle of nowhere in Montana, but the tinting that was
added before I took delivery of the car kept the glass intact and when it
fell to the floor in the back seat, it stayed there. My car was very nasty
looking from the accident - crushed almost anywhere possible. I even broke a
wheel! (In case anyone is wondering, the limit was 60 MPH and I was under
that.) The windshield pillar in front of me, along with the windshield, was
bent inwards by several inches as was the roof area above my head, but I
survived without even a bruise. When I went with the insurance agent to the
rural car dealer where my car had been towed and saw the car in the daylight
and up close for the first time after the accident, I would have guessed had
it not been MY accident that there would have been great damage to the
occupants, maybe even death. But the only problem I encountered was having
that "fiberglass feeling" on my forearms from the tiny shards of glass that
came toward me as the windshield was cracking into probably hundreds of
pieces. The windshield remained intact, but with it broken up as it was, I
guess there had to be some glass pieces that were freed. When I see the
photos of my car, I am oh so thankful I was in a Subaru. Another thing about
it being a Subaru was the amount of money I got back on the car. I was told
that if it had been a Ford or Chevy, I would not have gotten anywhere near
what I got back from them.

Stacey.
 
Stacey said:
I believe that a couple of hours ago I saw on some site that the '07 OBS SE
will have the connections up front for all of the little electronic devices
that people have these days. That is a lot of help, isn't it? Sorry I

That's a good short term solution. However, there is no space
for an aux-in jack at the bottom of the unit. And any wires
hanging from the top of the unit would be irritating since
access to some controls would be hindered.

The industry seems to be overdue for a good arbitration solution
to integrate the wide assortment of the electronic crap with
the car audio system.

Ideally some large automaker (Honda for example) could grab
headunit makers (Alpine/Pioneer/Kenwood/etc) and third party
noise makers (Magellan, Garmin, cell phone makers, etc) gently by the
balls
and wisper softly in their ears: "Why won't we make a new standard
for plugging all the external noise sources into the head units?"

Such an industry consortium could start with a cigarette socket
like contraption that would feed 12V to the external units and get
stereo in
and priority/signal in information. You'd need at least these lines:
ground
+12V
signal present
device priority
at least two lines for two stereo channels

For example, a GPS unit would report that it's level 0,
cell phone level 3 and an MP3 player (in the phone or stand alone)
level 5.

When the level 0 device reports that it has something to say
the head unit can either lower the playback volume and mix
in the signal from the level 0 device or shut off all the
other noise sources and playback from level 0 exclusively.

Once nav directions are over the level 0 device shuts off
and the level 3 device gets a chance to play a tone for an incoming
phone
call for example. Once the phone call is over the music playback can
resume.

Then you can have one interface on top of the dash for an
aftermaket gps unit like RoadMate 900 and another two for
cell phone and an mp3 player somewhere else. Say where the cupholders
for the rear bench currently are (on the back of the armrest).

Then all you need a 1-into-2 splitter provided by the phone maker
for the phone and for the mp3 player.

This would complicate the car wiring looms even further though
and the electrical systems are by no means simple already :-(
They'd have to run one set of wires to the fuse box and other to
the head unit for every single socket and there are at least three that
you realistically need. Another problem is the tight real estate on
the back of single din HUs.

If replying consider crossposting to rec.audio.car
 
Stacey said:
: Body Roll wrote:
: > Btw the stock headunit in the Outback Sport is very good. It does not
: > play MP3s
: > but the ergonomics is very good: one knob for volume and another for
: > going between
: > the tracks/stations. I just learned to convert my mp3s back to wav's
: > and play that.
: > Too bad it does not play mp3s and wavs off DVD+-R media, but with the
: > exception
: > of a few JVC units I don't think many units can do this yet.
: > So in terms of functionality the stock unit sucks, but in terms of ease
: > to use
: > and convenient access to various functionality it's awesome. Who makes
: > it?
: >
:
: If it's the same 6 CD unit as in my WRX wagon, the ONLY good thing about
: it is those 2 knobs. It and the speakers (atrocious) are high on my list
: of future upgrades. The unit cannot do shuffle play among the stack
: (only on the loaded CD) and will not 'remember' shuffle play when turned
: off. And no front iPod/aux input - dunno about rear aux. Not quite loud
: enough either - but the stock speakers couldn't handle any more power
: anyway.
: The antenna is in the window, so any tint needs to be ceramic ($$$) if
: you want to keep good AM reception.
: It works, but that's the best you can say about it.
:
: Carl
:
:
: --
: to reply, change ( .not) to ( .net)

Carl.

I have the same unit and I am pretty happy with the sound. I had a 2002 OBS
with the standard single CD player and stock speakers and when test driving
the 2006 OBS SE I took along two CDs to test the sound system. I
purposefully chose one CD that had a lot of range to it, especially more
highs than in most songs, while the other was a loud rocker, with great
banging, crashing type of percussion. Both CDs sounded great, as have others
that I have played since I purchased the car. Andrea Bocelli sounds awesome
with that stereo too. He is my first real attempt at listening to opera. His
singing impressed me the couple of times I heard him sing during the winter
Olympics, so I went out and purchased one of his CDs.

I usually keep the unit filled with 6 CDs and on occasion I will have to
adjust the bass. treble, and/or mid-range from one CD to another, but not
too often. This is my first 6 CD changer and I had to put a small post-it
note pad in the glove box because I could never remember who I put in which
slot! (Old age sucks and now I'v learned that my natural mother has rather
advancing Alzheimer's disease, so I should probably buy stock in the post-it
note company soom. Anyway, whenever I change the lineup I write a new list
and stick the post it note just to the right of the unit. I guess I a bit
disappointed that the random feature works for only one CD at a time, as you
mentioned. Other than that, I really enjoy the stereo. In the old car, if I
played a CD for an hour or so, the discs would get so hot that I often felt
that there was a real chance of some damage (AKA warping or a big meltdown).
I brought this up to several people at the dealership and was told that was
just the way it was with that unit. The new stereo does not cook my CDs at
all, yahoo!

About the window tinting...I had mine done with regular film and have not
noticed any degradation in reception. I live in Montana and often drive in
rural, remote areas, including canyons and/or mountanous areas and seem to
have better reception than I had with the 2002 OBS. The only bad news about
having the antenna in the rear window, I now have nowhere to hang my Marine
Corps antenna ball. :-(

I should add that I rolled the 2002 OBS on a narrow rural road late in
January, with the first roll occuring on the asphalt and the second roll
being in the ditch, leaving me up in the air, as the car finally landed -
passenger side on the ground. The back passenger window flew in as the car
first began to roll and I had visions of it coming forward and cutting my
face or neck, especially the jugular vein and then me bleeding to death,
alone at night in the middle of nowhere in Montana, but the tinting that was
added before I took delivery of the car kept the glass intact and when it
fell to the floor in the back seat, it stayed there. My car was very nasty
looking from the accident - crushed almost anywhere possible. I even broke a
wheel! (In case anyone is wondering, the limit was 60 MPH and I was under
that.) The windshield pillar in front of me, along with the windshield, was
bent inwards by several inches as was the roof area above my head, but I
survived without even a bruise. When I went with the insurance agent to the
rural car dealer where my car had been towed and saw the car in the daylight
and up close for the first time after the accident, I would have guessed had
it not been MY accident that there would have been great damage to the
occupants, maybe even death. But the only problem I encountered was having
that "fiberglass feeling" on my forearms from the tiny shards of glass that
came toward me as the windshield was cracking into probably hundreds of
pieces. The windshield remained intact, but with it broken up as it was, I
guess there had to be some glass pieces that were freed. When I see the
photos of my car, I am oh so thankful I was in a Subaru. Another thing about
it being a Subaru was the amount of money I got back on the car. I was told
that if it had been a Ford or Chevy, I would not have gotten anywhere near
what I got back from them.

Stacey.

Wow! Stacey, glad you're OK!. I think the metalized film only affects AM
reception - so if you strictly listen to FM there may be little/no
reduction in signal strenght. Or perhaps you have a high quality tint
film - dunno.
Don't get me wrong, compared to the '81 Civic wagon I had been driving
with no radio and no A/C, my car is a blessing! I just hear
crackling/distortion from the speakers occasionally(even had one
replaced under warranty - the service writer encouraged me to rplace the
stereo and especially the speakers with aftermarket in the future!) and
feel the head unit is 10 years behind the times.

Carl
 
Body said:
That's a good short term solution. However, there is no space
for an aux-in jack at the bottom of the unit. And any wires
hanging from the top of the unit would be irritating since
access to some controls would be hindered.

The industry seems to be overdue for a good arbitration solution
to integrate the wide assortment of the electronic crap with
the car audio system.

Ideally some large automaker (Honda for example) could grab
headunit makers (Alpine/Pioneer/Kenwood/etc) and third party
noise makers (Magellan, Garmin, cell phone makers, etc) gently by the
balls
and wisper softly in their ears: "Why won't we make a new standard
for plugging all the external noise sources into the head units?"

Such an industry consortium could start with a cigarette socket
like contraption that would feed 12V to the external units and get
stereo in
and priority/signal in information. You'd need at least these lines:
ground
+12V
signal present
device priority
at least two lines for two stereo channels

For example, a GPS unit would report that it's level 0,
cell phone level 3 and an MP3 player (in the phone or stand alone)
level 5.

When the level 0 device reports that it has something to say
the head unit can either lower the playback volume and mix
in the signal from the level 0 device or shut off all the
other noise sources and playback from level 0 exclusively.

Once nav directions are over the level 0 device shuts off
and the level 3 device gets a chance to play a tone for an incoming
phone
call for example. Once the phone call is over the music playback can
resume.

Then you can have one interface on top of the dash for an
aftermaket gps unit like RoadMate 900 and another two for
cell phone and an mp3 player somewhere else. Say where the cupholders
for the rear bench currently are (on the back of the armrest).

Then all you need a 1-into-2 splitter provided by the phone maker
for the phone and for the mp3 player.

This would complicate the car wiring looms even further though
and the electrical systems are by no means simple already :-(
They'd have to run one set of wires to the fuse box and other to
the head unit for every single socket and there are at least three that
you realistically need. Another problem is the tight real estate on
the back of single din HUs.

If replying consider crossposting to rec.audio.car

Probably don't need two lines for stereo - go digital (coax or twisted
pair or optical) or just wait a couple more years and it will ALL be
bluetooth wireless or something similar. I admit I am not a big gadget
freak - but I think it's a shame Subaru is behind the curve in this
area. I dunno

Carl
 

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